women doing men's jobs

[incognito00]

There is not a single man in this game doing a man's job. The shipwright in town is a black chick, the lighthouse keeper is an old lady, and the traveling merchant/engineer is some kind of chinese lady. And the researcher too.

By the time you meet your 4th or 5th Strong Independent Woman it starts to feel really obvious what they're doing and even distracts from the game a bit.

[RequiemsRose]

I mean, it actually would make some sense without a political agenda. Chances are many of those roles were a man's job....before the fog rolled in, which brought with it a number of eldritch abominations that likely murdered the initial individuals doing those job's (if they didn't retire like the whaler did). Those jobs still need to exist, but they probably lost a whole lot of the people originally doing them and since it does tend to be men who take the more dangerous jobs, it was likely mostly men who died first before they had any idea of how to deal with their new threats. Kind of like how a bunch of women were filling traditionally male roles in the workplace during WWII because most the men were off fighting instead. When a major threat happens, the male population does tend to decline because of those old fashioned notions that men should take those risks while women remain protected. So there is very likely just plain an abundance of women compared to men at this point (and most the men we do see either had relative security like the mayor and fishmonger, had the sense to retire like the whaler, or were relatively isolated like the airman, the old mayor, or the fanatic).

[Castled Whale]

Thanks for pointing this out. Not buying this now lololol

[Squilliam Fancypants]

oh no!!!!!!!!!! women with jobs! LMAO

[Shadowfox]

Publicado originalmente por Squilliam Fancypants:

oh no!!!!!!!!!! women with jobs! LMAO

next will have games where women get equal pay

[OneEye]

You guys took the bait easier than the fish in this game. Truly sad you bunch are so easily got.

[altibeest]

Lol I did not notice this at all and I usually notice forcing ethnic and gender diverse characters being present above them being interesting or equally represented. Everyone entitled to their opinion but seems like a really far stretch here, especially since you hardly properly interact with them after the first hour of gameplay.

[ekidhardt]

I don't think we can just outright dismiss the OP's opinion--he's got some valid points, especially on the personality characterizations. The men are creepy, cowards, or off the hinges, and the women are characterized as successful, independent, and without any particular pathology. Sounds pretty "wokey" to me.

If the OP means to characterize 'man jobs' as jobs that are dominated by men (for example, engineers, truck drivers, mechanics, plumbers, carpenters, miners, lumberjacks, firefighters, software engineers, etc.) and that 'women jobs' are the respective other side (nurses, maids, hairdressers etc.)--well then that characterization is accurate. Jobs are gendered, like it or not (data confirms this, this is not an opinion)

But lets look at the professions in aggregate to see if there is a 'woke' agenda in the background.

Trader: Most finance jobs are male dominated
Fishmonger: Traditional mixed (hard to find data)
Mayor: 75% male dominated
Dockworker: 99% male dominated
Whaler: 99%+ male dominated
Whalers Brother: same
Swamp Military Guy: Military--male dominated
Ex-Mayor: same as above
Traveling Trader: (finance) Male dominated
Researcher: Male dominated, but not extremely so
Lighthouse Keeper: Almost exclusively male (until the 1800's)
Shipwright: Male dominated

So, basically what we see here is that nearly every functional job in this game is a traditionally male dominated role, except for the fishmonger, which could go either way.

Which is kind of funny, because the designers/programmers are basically saying (without saying) that only male dominated professions are important in order to be successful in this world. (Which would characterize nearly every game actually).

So is the characterization of women/men professions in this game focused more on ideology (wokeness) than reality? Are the professions counter-cultural to the time period?

If it were holding traditional OR current gender representation in the workforce--then the only female in the game would be the fishmonger or researcher. If we're talking for this time-period, virtually no professions in this game would be held by females.

Given the setting here (presumed 1800-1900's?), the probability of a female shipwright is next to zero, same with lighthouse keeper.

So is there a 'wokeness' argument that has some logic to it? yeah for sure. If this game were gender-accurate, there would be 1 or zero females.

More interesting is that 100% of these jobs are traditionally male in nature (can you tell that men were the programmers?).

Programmers Meeting
"Okay guys, we've made this game where all of the professions are traditionally male dominated. So in order to make it not look like that, even though it is, we need to choose one of these jobs, maybe the most unlikely ones, to appease the woke mob so they won't notice that all of the game jobs are basically run by men, like us."

The one female staff member
"Why don't we include some professions where women traditionally dominate, and then those skills are required to be successful in the game?"

(awkward, blank stares)

It's kind of a no-win for the developers though--highest probability to be female in this game (when there is no high probability at all), would go to 1. fishmonger 2. maybe the researcher.

So--does the OP have a point? Yeah I think so, because otherwise there would be no females in this game.

[ekidhardt]

Janky,

If you work in science then you would know that your anecdotal evidence is invalid data (insufficient) in order to come to a rational conclusion.

Till's characterizations, whether you like them or not, are accurate. Male dominated professions involve 1. risk 2. physically demanding 3. focus on 'things' rather than 'people'. Men and women have different interests, and that manifests in the representation of the workforce.

There is something called the 'gender paradox'. The paradox is that in the countries that have the most balanced social and legal policies are also the countries that experience a growing gender divergence.

Instead of having a knee-jerk reaction to information, try reading relevant information on the subject to become more educated.

[The Electric Mindset]

You have to be one of the saddest people I have seen on the Steam discussion boards since they created it. It's tragic how insecure you are.

[Realityhack]

You missed April Fool's by three days

[markuswolfe]

Publicado originalmente por ekidhardt:

True as that may all be.....you have to admit, the region has been through some heavy depopulation. All the female characters being in male dominated positions could be entirely explained by "all the men died, so the women had to step up". And besides that, the publisher forced the devs to release the game earlier than they'd have liked to....if they'd had more, perhaps we'd have had more male characters.

[Spynosaurus]

OP is gonna be blown away when they find out that women do those jobs in real life.

[Shadowfox]

Publicado originalmente por ekidhardt:

Janky,

If you work in science then you would know that your anecdotal evidence is invalid data (insufficient) in order to come to a rational conclusion.

Till's characterizations, whether you like them or not, are accurate. Male dominated professions involve 1. risk 2. physically demanding 3. focus on 'things' rather than 'people'. Men and women have different interests, and that manifests in the representation of the workforce.

There is something called the 'gender paradox'. The paradox is that in the countries that have the most balanced social and legal policies are also the countries that experience a growing gender divergence.

Instead of having a knee-jerk reaction to information, try reading relevant information on the subject to become more educated.

see the thing is while you may have a point your friend here is not motivated by logic but by a dislike of seeing women in a predominately male job.
also the fact that in games both men and women play them so what is there to gain by putting reality into a game anyways wouldnt you or anyone else want in any game for jobs to be able to be done by anyone regardless of gender.
reality is flawed filled many flaws and while games draw from reality they do not need to follow it to a T.

[LSWSjr]

Ahh yes, the only two kinds of people, white straight cismen and political

[Kitsune Dzelda]

Yknow, studying Lovecraft, you do know he *was* an absolute racist right? It says so in alot of the scholarly biographies and textbooks Ive read in the past pre-2000s, and you can definitely notice it through how he portrays people who arent white in his stories. I am honestly suprised people are going after Roald Dahl, but giving Lovecraft a pass these days.

Perhaps it is because horror writers are expected to live off of the negativity of humanity, and thus in their portrayals are capable of depicting the ugly colours of the soul in stark reality, appreciable and unavoidable to readers who take inspiration from his brand of cosmic horror. For him, the world was a terrifying place filled with unknown, monstrous people, and he took his otherwise literate education, and applied his fear to it. Lo and behold, the literature was born which inspired the world.

He would have never have become a classic either if, after his death, his friends had not done their best to advertise his works. That said, I think the fact that the devs have taken what made Howard's writing great, while leaving behind what made it risque in this age, to be an excellent application of common sense, and I will take a dozen Strong Independent Women anyday over what it *could* have been.