White Horse

[midnightayachan]

Anybody know if the white horse in the auction is a double cream of some sort, or if its supposed to be a grayed out horse? Or both? I haven't been able to find a blue eyed white yet so I'm unsure if that's a bug since double creams 100% of the time have blue eyes. Has anyone seen a true double cream in the higher auction tiers?

On that topic as well, is Lethal White Syndrome in the game? I did see that Overo is one of the markings, so I'm going to assume you can't breed two overo together since it's, well, lethal. I'm still in the common tier so haven't gotten there yet.

Anybody know if Overo and Tobiano stack to get Tovero?

I'd really, really love to see a text box that confirms what specific color a horse is, especially since Tobiano can express really low and just be like normal socks.

[eyesinthewoods]

i think double dilute and possibly tovero *might* planned for a future update, and the white horses are probably just white for the sake of it (if you want to relate them to a real-world color, white horses with dark eyes are a real thing! but you might already know that). the game is not using a realistic genetics system, and as someone who generally really enjoys such things, i personally don't think rivershine needs one, especially considering it's target audience (younger, it's appeal to the general cozy-gaming crowd who likely have 0 interest in genetics in general).

i haven't obtained any overo horses yet, but it's reasonable to assume that you can probably breed 2 overos together, since as stated before, the genetics system is very basic (foals can inherit either coat "base color" from their parents, and patterns are separate). i do think some sort of education about olw would be good, but maybe instead of preventing breeding them entirely or resulting in the real-world horrors of olw, it should instead reduce the chance of successful pregnancy by a significant amount.

[midnightayachan]

Yeah, I saw that there won't be a genetics system in the traditional sense and tbh, a little bummed (was really looking forward to getting a double cream so I can produce a range of buckskins and palaminos, and the idea of buying horses to see what they carry gene wise was exciting to me. I literally cannot name one PC horse game that uses realistic genetics though so... I was hoping this would be the one...) but on the flip side, I'm okay with the system as is and am enjoying breeding so far.

White horses with dark eyes are grays. There no real "white" horse, so I wasn't sure if I need to report the lack of blue eyes if they're meant to be double creams OR the lack of actual gray (like fleabitten, dapple, etc). You can't have white without the other grays, and gray foals are obviously born dark colored and change over time. Just not sure if proper blue eyed double creams are even in since I'm not that high in the tiers yet. >o< If anybody sees one, let me know. <3

Call me crazy, but I think olw breedings should either not be allowed (and maybe if you buy one, Madelaine talks to you about olw so that when you try breeding one, the error message it makes doesn't come out of nowhere) OR there's a checkbox type setting for just a hefty pregnancy reduction chance rather than straight up erroring out. That said, olw is no joke and I really don't think it should be included if there's no education around its breeding.

[eyesinthewoods]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominant_white

regarding olw, on second consideration i do feel that the breeding on them should be restricted.

[midnightayachan]

Ohh, yeah, dom white. Was talking in terms of a "base color" and not a marking, my bad!

Issue with dom white though is that it isn't found in Mustangs and there's only a handful of breeds its in, so wouldn't apply in this case, unless our mustangs are mutt horses. Mustangs do have double creams AND gray though (as well as like max sabino and max splash but neither of those really go all white without deafness and other issues) and I don't think sabino or splash are in yet.

[Tila]

I don't think realistic genetics in breeding will be a thing here, because the whole game in itself is put up in a simple and relaxing manner and not too heavily based on reality.

[ThatsMyLive]

Well, Dominant White cant be just squeezed down to 1 gene. The "White Spotting" gene-group includes so far 20 found W genes, of which one only expresses as the ingame seen "Dominant White", the 19 others are factors where horses may only get blazes and white socks (so are partly responsible for white markings in pretty much any breed).

It is assumed to have way more W genes or subgenes that influence the W genes, aswell as Tobianos, Overos and other white marking genes counter-react with them..

So I wouldnt necessarily say the "white" horse ingame isnt realistic as it may exist in Mustangs, just hasnt been pinned down yet, considering the White Spotting genes exist in pretty much every breed and isnt fully explored yet.

I'd say the white horse ingame could be anything from a loud overo/tovero, odd fewspot appaloosa, sabino to dominant white/white spotting or combination, as the more white genes you have, the more likely a full white horse with brown eyes is possible. ^^

[ThatsMyLive]

I do wonder however if it has a "genetic" base color underneath the white ingame. Like maybe you buy a white horse and its a bay underneath or a dun and you can see that in future foals you breed or so. That would be cool and i think possible with the breeding system the game uses, havent actually tested it yet.

[midnightayachan]

I'd be curious to test that as well, because as you said, it's quite possible the white horse is simply a ton of stuff on top. BUT given its found in the common tier, I'm leaning more that it's probably a Gray. Only Tobiano and "regular horse markings" like socks and blazes show up in Common. Maybe if white got moved up a few tiers, that would make more sense.

Lots of different theories for certain! Fun discussion overall. <3

[ThatsMyLive]

Originally posted by midnightayachan:

I'd be curious to test that as well, because as you said, it's quite possible the white horse is simply a ton of stuff on top. BUT given its found in the common tier, I'm leaning more that it's probably a Gray. Only Tobiano and "regular horse markings" like socks and blazes show up in Common. Maybe if white got moved up a few tiers, that would make more sense.

Lots of different theories for certain! Fun discussion overall. <3

If it were to be a grey horse I'd find it unrealistic, as grey/greying horse do not have pink skin, they keep their normal grey skin as its not affected by missing pigment (as white markings would be).

So I think its most likely a form of White Spotting that expresses maximal, aka Dominant White. I'd just really like them to be on a higher tier, as tbh. they are super common in the common tier, I almost get more whites than anything, which wouldnt be realistic in any way imo.^^

[Mania]

Originally posted by midnightayachan:

Anybody know if the white horse in the auction is a double cream of some sort, or if its supposed to be a grayed out horse? Or both? I haven't been able to find a blue eyed white yet so I'm unsure if that's a bug since double creams 100% of the time have blue eyes. Has anyone seen a true double cream in the higher auction tiers?

On that topic as well, is Lethal White Syndrome in the game? I did see that Overo is one of the markings, so I'm going to assume you can't breed two overo together since it's, well, lethal. I'm still in the common tier so haven't gotten there yet.

Anybody know if Overo and Tobiano stack to get Tovero?

I'd really, really love to see a text box that confirms what specific color a horse is, especially since Tobiano can express really low and just be like normal socks.

I dunno if since then you got the answer you were looking for, but i can confirm that there are blue eyed white horses sold at the auction. Just realized after a few in-game days that my white horse had blue eyes :D They're kinda dark blue so you really gotta zoom in the face to notice, they appear brown otherwise