spin off idea: Old West Game Series

[Goblin Type Creature]

So obviously there's lots to do with the WW1 setting but I noticed that the pattern for longevity on this series is once the new game comes out the old ones get totally abandoned. It would be cool if the devs made a spin off that could be back up or a hold over for when the next big WW1 game occurs to kinda help keep eyes on the dev team and player interest peaked.

With the Devs dedication to making historically accurate guns and settings I feel like them creating a game set in the Old West where you can play as a cowboy or lawman or even natives etc (depending on the maps) would be really cool. Fistful of Frags is slowly dying and hardly anyone touches it, and don't even get me started on Red Dead Online; I feel like this dev team could make something really special and more relaxed in terms of how serious they wanna take it (I know that they don't feel comfortable adding things like zombie mode to the WW1 games but something like an Old West game might be able to open more doors for testing new fun game styles while still maintaining some historical accuracy like Red Dead did with undead nightmare)

If anyone has ever played those two older Call of Juarez games (CoJ and Bound in Blood) then they know how addictive a cowboy FPS game can be but how rarely they ever get made. This Dev could make something really unique and special that has serious potential. Loads of people are itching for a shoot em up cowboy game that actually has an active community and dev team that give it updates etc instead of letting it die. I feel like with how well the gun play is on the WW1 games and how much research goes into these WW1 games; a logical step forward would be something set in 1800s America. It would also be nice to just see the dev step out of their comfort zone and experiment (trust me when I say people who enjoy Sniper Elite would kill to see the devs at rebellion step out from their comfort zone of WW2 but they don't)

I hope this can happen

[Bishop]

Thanks for the feedback, does have some issues here though:

They don't abandon previous titles they content finish and move on while continuing to run the servers, events and bug fix for the previous games.

It's also not going to be a hold over till the next title, it would be the next title and would mean delaying the next WW1 game series title. So doesn't really help keep eyes on them or interest, would split interest and mean those that care for WW1 are more likely to stop following.

It also runs the issue in that's not really a big era for a European based developer. The core to the WW1 series was going to battlefields of that war from early childhood, seeing them and then discovering lack of gaming content for it. That's where the inspiration and dedication comes from, they also get ease of access to sites, information and experts being based in Europe. Old West of America? Not so much.

Plus it also runs a big issue now with the representation of the indigenous peoples.

[Goblin Type Creature]

Originally posted by Bishop:

Thanks for the feedback, does have some issues here though:

They don't abandon previous titles they content finish and move on while continuing to run the servers, events and bug fix for the previous games.

It's also not going to be a hold over till the next title, it would be the next title and would mean delaying the next WW1 game series title. So doesn't really help keep eyes on them or interest, would split interest and mean those that care for WW1 are more likely to stop following.

It also runs the issue in that's not really a big era for a European based developer. The core to the WW1 series was going to battlefields of that war from early childhood, seeing them and then discovering lack of gaming content for it. That's where the inspiration and dedication comes from, they also get ease of access to sites, information and experts being based in Europe. Old West of America? Not so much.

Plus it also runs a big issue now with the representation of the indigenous peoples.

You could always just not add native americans n make it more of a light hearted cowboys vs lawman thing. I get it but the devs would make a kick ass cowboy game if they tried imo

[Super King]

Give Hunt Showdown a try. Its got old west vibe (though its set in Louisiana & Colorado) and also has low rate of fire + fast time to kill like Isonzo. I got 300 hrs in both so I reckon people into Isonzo would also like Hunt.

[Goblin Type Creature]

Originally posted by Super King:

Give Hunt Showdown a try. Its got old west vibe (though its set in Louisiana & Colorado) and also has low rate of fire + fast time to kill like Isonzo. I got 300 hrs in both so I reckon people into Isonzo would also like Hunt.

i have i like it but i dont like how its a battle royal style game with zombies. I just want a cowboy pvp game n maybe a goofy ass zombie mode for pve on the side but ye

[Nedly Dedly]

Originally posted by Bishop:

Plus it also runs a big issue now with the representation of the indigenous peoples.

I don't see how adding indigenous people is a problem as long as it's done properly. It's not like the guy demands bloodthristy caricatures or something (and it's not like Native Americans were all sunshine and rainbows while we are at it).

[Bishop]

Originally posted by Nedly Dedly:

I don't see how adding indigenous people is a problem as long as it's done properly. It's not like the guy demands bloodthristy caricatures or something (and it's not like Native Americans were all sunshine and rainbows while we are at it).

But that's the issue of doing a multiplayer competitive game, it will be bloodthirsty, there isn't going to be "character depth" in it.

It's not about sunshine and rainbows but about the treatment and misrepresentation of people which is an on going issue for these groups. I know a few have requested not to be represented before in media due to the poor representation they get.

[Goblin Type Creature]

Originally posted by Bishop:

Originally posted by Nedly Dedly:

I don't see how adding indigenous people is a problem as long as it's done properly. It's not like the guy demands bloodthristy caricatures or something (and it's not like Native Americans were all sunshine and rainbows while we are at it).

But that's the issue of doing a multiplayer competitive game, it will be bloodthirsty, there isn't going to be "character depth" in it.

It's not about sunshine and rainbows but about the treatment and misrepresentation of people which is an on going issue for these groups. I know a few have requested not to be represented before in media due to the poor representation they get.

the civil war game had people worried like u too but that ended up doing really well; if its pvp the only thing that needs to be done is the devs get the outfits and weapons historically correct while adding those loading screen history lessons to it so u understand the battle ground etc. Also getting the chants for the victory screen and maybe the taunts right too (kinda like how when u start a match on war of rights the union yells hazza)

alternatively if they wanna really play it safe and avoid triggering anyone cos they might have missed a detail (everyone is human it can happen; mistakes happen) they can just make the game lawmen vs outlaws and have the settings not be based on anything real but based off what a town MIGHT have looked like and what the guns were like back then. They can then fill the game with tidbits about how Billy the Kid was caught n what the US used as tactics to wipe out the outlaw culture in the old west etc (i mean again one of my dreams for this what if game is also having a ♥♥♥♥ off mode where u n some pals are just doing cowboys vs zombies but with historically accurate settings and guns so)

i still think including some indian wars stuff is important though because it happened and everyone involved needs to own up to that and acknowledge it happened

It really sucks cos the last game to focus solely on native americans ended up being a scam and that dev left the game unfinished; what a slap to the face.

[Bishop]

Originally posted by Goblin Type Creature:

the civil war game had people worried like u too but that ended up doing really well; if its pvp the only thing that needs to be done is the devs get the outfits and weapons historically correct while adding those loading screen history lessons to it so u understand the battle ground etc. Also getting the chants for the victory screen and maybe the taunts right too (kinda like how when u start a match on war of rights the union yells hazza)

alternatively if they wanna really play it safe and avoid triggering anyone cos they might have missed a detail (everyone is human it can happen; mistakes happen) they can just make the game lawmen vs outlaws and have the settings not be based on anything real but based off what a town MIGHT have looked like and what the guns were like back then. They can then fill the game with tidbits about how Billy the Kid was caught n what the US used as tactics to wipe out the outlaw culture in the old west etc (i mean again one of my dreams for this what if game is also having a ♥♥♥♥ off mode where u n some pals are just doing cowboys vs zombies but with historically accurate settings and guns so)

i still think including some indian wars stuff is important though because it happened and everyone involved needs to own up to that and acknowledge it happened

Which civil war game? Not seen any that really do much with the Native peoples in them.

It's not just that but also the coverage of the battles and style of it which in general isn't great for a multiplayer game. But covering all the cosmetics is a huge investment due to the depth of those ties to the culture, so that's a lot of work, cost and risk for the Devs based in Europe to do.

It's not about missing a detail but misrepresenting and possibly insulting a culture which is an issue, especially for groups that have been subject to this type of attack for a long time.

The zombies part just doesn't seem something they'd do with their tend to go with historical content and trying to represent that well.

[Gaius]

Originally posted by Super King:

Give Hunt Showdown a try. Its got old west vibe (though its set in Louisiana & Colorado) and also has low rate of fire + fast time to kill like Isonzo. I got 300 hrs in both so I reckon people into Isonzo would also like Hunt.

hunt showdown is good, but they added shredder gun, revive bolt etc. It is becoming fortnite now.

[icED-e@RtH]

Originally posted by Bishop:

Originally posted by Goblin Type Creature:

the civil war game had people worried like u too but that ended up doing really well; if its pvp the only thing that needs to be done is the devs get the outfits and weapons historically correct while adding those loading screen history lessons to it so u understand the battle ground etc. Also getting the chants for the victory screen and maybe the taunts right too (kinda like how when u start a match on war of rights the union yells hazza)

alternatively if they wanna really play it safe and avoid triggering anyone cos they might have missed a detail (everyone is human it can happen; mistakes happen) they can just make the game lawmen vs outlaws and have the settings not be based on anything real but based off what a town MIGHT have looked like and what the guns were like back then. They can then fill the game with tidbits about how Billy the Kid was caught n what the US used as tactics to wipe out the outlaw culture in the old west etc (i mean again one of my dreams for this what if game is also having a ♥♥♥♥ off mode where u n some pals are just doing cowboys vs zombies but with historically accurate settings and guns so)

i still think including some indian wars stuff is important though because it happened and everyone involved needs to own up to that and acknowledge it happened

Which civil war game? Not seen any that really do much with the Native peoples in them.

It's not just that but also the coverage of the battles and style of it which in general isn't great for a multiplayer game. But covering all the cosmetics is a huge investment due to the depth of those ties to the culture, so that's a lot of work, cost and risk for the Devs based in Europe to do.

It's not about missing a detail but misrepresenting and possibly insulting a culture which is an issue, especially for groups that have been subject to this type of attack for a long time.

The zombies part just doesn't seem something they'd do with their tend to go with historical content and trying to represent that well.

So its not OK to misrepresent Native Americans but OK if white people are misrepresented, same with killing Native Americans, but its OK to kill white man?

[Goblin Type Creature]

Originally posted by Bishop:

Originally posted by Goblin Type Creature:

the civil war game had people worried like u too but that ended up doing really well; if its pvp the only thing that needs to be done is the devs get the outfits and weapons historically correct while adding those loading screen history lessons to it so u understand the battle ground etc. Also getting the chants for the victory screen and maybe the taunts right too (kinda like how when u start a match on war of rights the union yells hazza)

alternatively if they wanna really play it safe and avoid triggering anyone cos they might have missed a detail (everyone is human it can happen; mistakes happen) they can just make the game lawmen vs outlaws and have the settings not be based on anything real but based off what a town MIGHT have looked like and what the guns were like back then. They can then fill the game with tidbits about how Billy the Kid was caught n what the US used as tactics to wipe out the outlaw culture in the old west etc (i mean again one of my dreams for this what if game is also having a ♥♥♥♥ off mode where u n some pals are just doing cowboys vs zombies but with historically accurate settings and guns so)

i still think including some indian wars stuff is important though because it happened and everyone involved needs to own up to that and acknowledge it happened

Which civil war game? Not seen any that really do much with the Native peoples in them.

It's not just that but also the coverage of the battles and style of it which in general isn't great for a multiplayer game. But covering all the cosmetics is a huge investment due to the depth of those ties to the culture, so that's a lot of work, cost and risk for the Devs based in Europe to do.

It's not about missing a detail but misrepresenting and possibly insulting a culture which is an issue, especially for groups that have been subject to this type of attack for a long time.

The zombies part just doesn't seem something they'd do with their tend to go with historical content and trying to represent that well.

Originally posted by Bishop:

Originally posted by Goblin Type Creature:

the civil war game had people worried like u too but that ended up doing really well; if its pvp the only thing that needs to be done is the devs get the outfits and weapons historically correct while adding those loading screen history lessons to it so u understand the battle ground etc. Also getting the chants for the victory screen and maybe the taunts right too (kinda like how when u start a match on war of rights the union yells hazza)

alternatively if they wanna really play it safe and avoid triggering anyone cos they might have missed a detail (everyone is human it can happen; mistakes happen) they can just make the game lawmen vs outlaws and have the settings not be based on anything real but based off what a town MIGHT have looked like and what the guns were like back then. They can then fill the game with tidbits about how Billy the Kid was caught n what the US used as tactics to wipe out the outlaw culture in the old west etc (i mean again one of my dreams for this what if game is also having a ♥♥♥♥ off mode where u n some pals are just doing cowboys vs zombies but with historically accurate settings and guns so)

i still think including some indian wars stuff is important though because it happened and everyone involved needs to own up to that and acknowledge it happened

Which civil war game? Not seen any that really do much with the Native peoples in them.

It's not just that but also the coverage of the battles and style of it which in general isn't great for a multiplayer game. But covering all the cosmetics is a huge investment due to the depth of those ties to the culture, so that's a lot of work, cost and risk for the Devs based in Europe to do.

It's not about missing a detail but misrepresenting and possibly insulting a culture which is an issue, especially for groups that have been subject to this type of attack for a long time.

The zombies part just doesn't seem something they'd do with their tend to go with historical content and trying to represent that well.

"Which Civil War Game" >(kinda like how when u start a match on war of rights the union yells hazza) it was right there man

I'm sure it'd be fine if that game "This Land is My Land" came out n no one cared; they only hot mad when the devs stopped developing and the game died

The devs did a good job in the WW1 games getting every detail right I'm sure they could do the same for an old west game if given the time

zombie mode might not work if people really do hate that idea but since undead nightmare's co op is gone that niche for a zombie cowboy co op game is pretty screwed; alternatively i thought that maybe a mode similar to like a hunter/prey style mode where its like a team of 10 cowboys vs like 4 natives in a middle of the night cat and mouse style mode with objectives could be a good idea