I am expecting for the German empire.

[Jason rifleman]

I saw isonzo's road map on twitter. Sounds like devs will add Germans in the future. Then I can use MP18 smg again. We know that the only smg join the ww1 is MP18, it's very effective during close range combat. I used it a lot in Verdun and achieved many victories.

[Villevaan]

cool

[Malviyn]

beretta MAB m1918 also existed in 1918 and was also an SMG...

[Jason rifleman]

Originally posted by Malviyn:

beretta MAB m1918 also existed in 1918 and was also an SMG...

I tried the perotta smg, it was not as good as I think. I am waiting for mp18I.

[Fenris]

Originally posted by Malviyn:

beretta MAB m1918 also existed in 1918 and was also an SMG...

Nope the forum mods already statet that the full auto version will not come because that was a Prototype and it will be the Semi Auto version we will get ingame

[Bishop]

Pretty sure the MP-18i wasn't used on the Italian front, and the current roadmap is named after a 1917 battle, so nearly a year before the MP-18i was adopted.

[Fenris]

What i found was that it was used especially in the Kaiserschlacht. and it was the main Weapon of the Sturmtruppen in 1918, sooo i guess when they send sturmtruppen to the Italien Front it will be there in 1918. but something that should be there is the MG 08/15

[AugFC]

The MP 18,I was not used during the Kaiserschlacht, the first guns didn't reach the front until the summer of 1918. The earliest recorded capture of an MP 18,I by the Allies was at Amiens in August. It was never used in any large-scale German offensives and was only used in a defensive role or small skirmishes in the second half of 1918. It was certainly never used on the Italian Front.

As the admins have pointed out elsewhere, the Beretta 1918 (Revelli-Beretta) was semi-automatic only. Also it was probably never issued to combat troops in WW1, but it might be an interesting weapon to see in late war DLC.

[Fenris]

Originally posted by AugFC:

The MP 18,I was not used during the Kaiserschlacht, the first guns didn't reach the front until the summer of 1918. The earliest recorded capture of an MP 18,I by the Allies was at Amiens in August. It was never used in any large-scale German offensives and was only used in a defensive role or small skirmishes in the second half of 1918. It was certainly never used on the Italian Front.

As the admins have pointed out elsewhere, the Beretta 1918 (Revelli-Beretta) was semi-automatic only. Also it was probably never issued to combat troops in WW1, but it might be an interesting weapon to see in late war DLC.

I take a deeper look at it but that is what I found https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP_18, here it says used in the kaiserschlacht, and it was the biggest battle where stormtroopers where fieldet so it makes sense, and to 99% wiki is right, but if you don’t have a source that says directly and is verified that the mp18 was not used there I trust wiki, and I found this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c7_hhUtloNw, here it clearly says during the kaiserschlacht, I just don’t if the numbers are right, wiki says 30k build

[AugFC]

Originally posted by Fenris:

Originally posted by AugFC:

The MP 18,I was not used during the Kaiserschlacht, the first guns didn't reach the front until the summer of 1918. The earliest recorded capture of an MP 18,I by the Allies was at Amiens in August. It was never used in any large-scale German offensives and was only used in a defensive role or small skirmishes in the second half of 1918. It was certainly never used on the Italian Front.

As the admins have pointed out elsewhere, the Beretta 1918 (Revelli-Beretta) was semi-automatic only. Also it was probably never issued to combat troops in WW1, but it might be an interesting weapon to see in late war DLC.

I take a deeper look at it but that is what I found https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP_18, here it says used in the kaiserschlacht, and it was the biggest battle where stormtroopers where fieldet so it makes sense, and to 99% wiki is right, but if you don’t have a source that says directly and is verified that the mp18 was not used there I trust wiki, and I found this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c7_hhUtloNw, here it clearly says during the kaiserschlacht, I just don’t if the numbers are right, wiki says 30k build

The Wikipedia page for the MP 18,I is full of myths and is not really a good source. Likewise Simple History is just pop history.

Most books and other written sources on the subject say the MP 18,I wasn't issued until the summer of 1918, after the Kaiserschlact had already ended. For example the curator of the Military History Institute in Prague [www.vhu.cz] says as much: "The first pieces did not reach the units, especially the assault units (Sturmtruppen) until the second half of 1918, when the war was coming to an end."

The earliest records of the gun on the frontlines come from August and September 1918. There is simply no evidence that it was used during the Kaiserschlact - no photos, no records, nothing. The idea that German stormtroopers were running around with MP 18,Is for most of 1918 is basically inaccurate - only a small number of guns saw combat, evidenced by the fact that most of the examples captured by the Allies had very low serial numbers (e.g. 214 for a sample captured by the British in September). By November 1918 about 17,000 guns had been delivered to the German Army but the vast majority of these were never fired in anger before the armistice.

[Fenris]

We still have to take in to account that 1. Reports could have gone lost, or kept secret 2. Historians can make mistakes depending how old there research are and 3. Something Germans always dit was field testing, so it could have bin an early version send to the soldiers for testing how it performed, something the Germans dit in WW2 with the MKB 42, I try to find out more, and we know more about WW2 because the reports where better, and not as mutch got lost, and we had a lot of veterans that could tell us what happened, my grandfather fought in Russia

[AugFC]

Originally posted by Fenris:

We still have to take in to account that 1. Reports could have gone lost, or kept secret 2. Historians can make mistakes depending how old there research are and 3. Something Germans always dit was field testing, so it could have bin an early version send to the soldiers for testing how it performed, something the Germans dit in WW2 with the MKB 42, I try to find out more, and we know more about WW2 because the reports where better, and not as mutch got lost, and we had a lot of veterans that could tell us what happened, my grandfather fought in Russia

True, but this is all just speculation. There needs to be evidence for something before anyone can make a claim about it. There's no evidence that prototypes of the MP 18,I were issued to troops in early 1918, not even in German sources. The most recent research indicates that the MP 18,I was never very widely used at all.

In terms of veterans accounts - there are barely any regarding the MP 18,I. I think there's like one or two sources that mention it in passing. The vast majority of descriptions of the MP 18,I's use in combat come from the post-war Weimar period when it was used by the Freikorps and German police.

I think a large part of the MP 18,I's myth is that people want to believe it was widely used in combat because it's a cool German gun, and there's a heavy bias towards cool German guns in popular culture. The reality is that far less MP 18,Is were used in combat than Villar Perosas.

[Bishop]

Originally posted by Fenris:

We still have to take in to account that 1. Reports could have gone lost, or kept secret 2. Historians can make mistakes depending how old there research are and 3. Something Germans always dit was field testing, so it could have bin an early version send to the soldiers for testing how it performed, something the Germans dit in WW2 with the MKB 42, I try to find out more, and we know more about WW2 because the reports where better, and not as mutch got lost, and we had a lot of veterans that could tell us what happened, my grandfather fought in Russia

But Historians are less likely to make mistakes than unsourced info on Wiki and a pop culture quick review where they don't list their sources on it in the video.

Germans also played very little role on the Italian front in 1918 and was focusing on the Western front at the time the MP-18i was coming in, not really splitting it over when that is where the war needs to be resolved.

[Fenris]

Totally true I take everything with a grain of salt, and making my research, I dit finde nothing right now but I keep looking in to it, what I found was this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z7O8SZhdgw, even gun Jesus is not sure about the history of the gun, and said that about 3000 saw combat and only about 17000 where build of the 50000 Germany ordered, and on the other things I found was no one could tell when it was used, they began production in 1917, so it is plausible that it saw action in super limited numbers in the kaiserschlacht, but we will have to see if we get it in the game, I know nothing about the Germans at the Italien front, but if I had to guess they send in some Gebiergsjäger and maby one or two Sturmtruppen units, if these where armed with the MP18 no clue depending on the time they saw service in the alps

[AugFC]

Originally posted by Fenris:

Totally true I take everything with a grain of salt, and making my research, I dit finde nothing right now but I keep looking in to it, what I found was this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z7O8SZhdgw, even gun Jesus is not sure about the history of the gun, and said that about 3000 saw combat and only about 17000 where build of the 50000 Germany ordered, and on the other things I found was no one could tell when it was used, they began production in 1917, so it is plausible that it saw action in super limited numbers in the kaiserschlacht, but we will have to see if we get it in the game, I know nothing about the Germans at the Italien front, but if I had to guess they send in some Gebiergsjäger and maby one or two Sturmtruppen units, if these where armed with the MP18 no clue depending on the time they saw service in the alps

It wasn't in production in 1917 - the patent was not filed until the second-last day of 1917 (December 30) and the 50,000 gun order was only placed in April 1918.

The 3,000 guns issued to combat troops is an estimate, not an exact figure, but it is relatively reasonable given the overall scope of production. However this would have been from about August - November 1918, not in early 1918.

[Fenris]

After I can’t finde anything else right now, and the only thing I get is we don’t know, and most of it are myths or just unclear info, and the only clear info we have is from you, what really was we will never know, the only thing that is clear is that the MP 18 has some myth around it self, and some I said I am not an expert of the Italian front, so I don’t know if it saw use at all there, I hope more to see the MG 08/15