SINGLE SHOT GERMAN RIFLE EVIDENCE FOUND

[VON_Raymond]

For the last week, I have been researching German weapons ranging from the 1840s to WW1 and I have found evidence of not 1 but TWO SINGLE-SHOT GERMAN RIFLES USED IN WW1. During WW1, many rifles were quite new by military standards. Many soldiers had been veterans of conflicts like the Franco-Prussian War or the wars between China and Germany in Asia. Because of this, some soldiers preferred to rely on their trusty old weapons. This resulted in the sightings of several post-war-era rifles and weapons in WW1. As mentioned in Isonzo, for example, the GASSER (Not the small one the big one) was not issued to the Austrian armies in WW1 but managed to get to the fronts anyway. The same happened with many other rifles, revolvers, etc.

I'd like you to meet the MAUSER 1871/84 and the DREYSE NEEDLE GUN.
Firstly the Mauser (Gewehr) 1871/84 was a single-shot German rifle first thought by the Mauser company in 1867 and finally put to the test in 1871. It weighed approximately 4.5, was a bolt-action rifle that fed an 11.15 x 60mm single round (bullet types vary) and was primarily used in the Boxer rebellion and by the German Empire in WW1 and by Austrian Painter's Germany in WW2 (Though very little). It saw combat in the Western Front, Eastern Front, African Front, Asian Front and yes, in the ITALIAN FRONT. Though I've not been able to find any direct evidence, all German garrisons of that time issued some of these post-war-era rifles to their forces. It is very plausible that Erwin Rommel's expedition had at least a few hundred of these in use.

The Dreyse Needle gun was also used during WW1 but as I lack background information and it is so old, from 1848, I don't think any of the German armies had these in a noticeable use
except for maybe in some random German colony in Asia.

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[Gordon_]

I mean it's pretty well known that the 71/84 was used in ww1, it was the standard rifle of the seewehr, which is the German reserve. they were also used very rarely as rear line rifle. It wasn't that common tho. It is featured in Isonzo already.
Sadly this one is not a single shot. The 71/84 is a tube fed, kropatschek style repeating rifle, like the m1886 lebel.
As for the Dreyse... I don't know where did you get that info, but by ww1 it was long out of stock in the German army.
The only single shot rifle in the German army that saw extensive use in ww1 is the mauser 1871 Jägerbusche in German East Africa, where it saw active combat with the G98.

[VON_Raymond]

Publicado originalmente por Gordon_Delacroix:

I mean it's pretty well known that the 71/84 was used in ww1, it was the standard rifle of the seewehr, which is the German reserve. they were also used very rarely as rear line rifle. It wasn't that common tho. It is featured in Isonzo already.
Sadly this one is not a single shot. The 71/84 is a tube fed, kropatschek style repeating rifle, like the m1886 lebel.
As for the Dreyse... I don't know where did you get that info, but by ww1 it was long out of stock in the German army.
The only single shot rifle in the German army that saw extensive use in ww1 is the mauser 1871 Jägerbusche in German East Africa, where it saw active combat with the G98.

This is NOT the VETTERLI 71/84 it is the MAUSER GEWEHR 1871/84

[VON_Raymond]

And even if the Mauser Gewehr 1871/84 won't be added then the Jägerbusche would be an alternative.

[Gordon_]

Publicado originalmente por VON_Raymond:

This is NOT the VETTERLI 71/84 it is the MAUSER GEWEHR 1871/84

I know, go boot up the game and go look into the weapon selection of the German marksman, it is called the Gewher 71/84 and is unlocked at level 15 alongside the werndl rifle.

Publicado originalmente por VON_Raymond:

And even if the Mauser Gewehr 1871/84 won't be added then the Jägerbusche would be an alternative.

There's no proof it was used on the Isonzo front. No proof, no rifle. We have a better chance of seeing the mauser 1907 Chinese contract in the game tbh, as single shot are very niche guns in this game.

[Bishop]

Yeah sorry as Gordon has said the 71/84 is already in game, it is a tubemagazine update of the old single shot rifle. There was still single shot editions around in shooting clubs, they were brought back in to the arsenals not for combat use but for materials and limited use by guards on the homefront. Biggest single use in fighting would be in Ireland during WW1.

The needle rifle gets listed on websites but never has a single source on it being used at all in WW1.

Should also say you haven't shown any evidence here, just said that they were used. We really need reliable sources for the evidence.

[Gordon_]

Publicado originalmente por Bishop:

Yeah sorry as Gordon has said the 71/84 is already in game, it is a tubemagazine update of the old single shot rifle. There was still single shot editions around in shooting clubs, they were brought back in to the arsenals not for combat use but for materials and limited use by guards on the homefront. Biggest single use in fighting would be in Ireland during WW1.

I've also seen a picture of the 1871 being used as a training rifle, which is a use in the same vein as you cited.

I think the most interesting thing about them is that in 1916 they made 100 000 iron trigger guards to replace the valuable brass trigger guards of those rifles, just so they can recycle it into copper for the war effort.

[Bishop]

Publicado originalmente por Gordon_Delacroix:

I've also seen a picture of the 1871 being used as a training rifle, which is a use in the same vein as you cited.

I think the most interesting thing about them is that in 1916 they made 100 000 iron trigger guards to replace the valuable brass trigger guards of those rifles, just so they can recycle it into copper for the war effort.

Yeah the hand guards is an interesting part of the weapons history. Seems a lot of work for such a small amount of metal.

[VON_Raymond]

Ok So the 71/84 is already in the game as a normal rifle?
According to sources It should be single shot

[Bishop]

Publicado originalmente por VON_Raymond:

Ok So the 71/84 is already in the game as a normal rifle?
According to sources It should be single shot

No according to the sources it should be a tube magazine fed rifle, like it is in game. That is what the 84 element is, an update to the original 71 rifle which was single shot adding the magazine.

[VON_Raymond]

Ok, I see the problem here, it was originally a single-shot rifle but it was updated to the tube magazine later on and that's the version in-game.

[Tharn]

From Robert W.D. Ball's "Mauser Military Rifles of the World 1871-1945": "first world war service of the Model 71 Rifle was limited to reserve troop use on the continent". The only major combat use in Europe was during the Easter Uprising in Ireland.

The M71 "Jäger" variant (in length in between the full length rifle and the carbine) was used by colonial frontline troops in East Africa (it was the standard rifle for 8 of the 15 companies there) in 1915 and then again in 1918 when supply of 7,92x57mm ran low. It was also used on the Western Front by the air force, with the barrel converted to shoot incendiary ammo at balloons.

The Mauser M1871/84 was a repeater with an 8-round tubular magazine as is already in the game, however from what I read the M71/84 also featured a magazine cut-off similar to contemporary rifles like the Lee Enfield Mk. I pre-* variants and the Krag-Jorgensen. This allows it to be a 'single shot' rifle, though not really. No matter how cool I think single shot rifles are and I love playing with them in Tannenberg I don't see why the magazine cut-off function would be added.

[Sharpe's Sword𓅣𓃠]

Publicado originalmente por Tharn:

From Robert W.D. Ball's "Mauser Military Rifles of the World 1871-1945": "first world war service of the Model 71 Rifle was limited to reserve troop use on the continent". The only major combat use in Europe was during the Easter Uprising in Ireland.

The M71 "Jäger" variant (in length in between the full length rifle and the carbine) was used by colonial frontline troops in East Africa (it was the standard rifle for 8 of the 15 companies there) in 1915 and then again in 1918 when supply of 7,92x57mm ran low. It was also used on the Western Front by the air force, with the barrel converted to shoot incendiary ammo at balloons.

The Mauser M1871/84 was a repeater with an 8-round tubular magazine as is already in the game, however from what I read the M71/84 also featured a magazine cut-off similar to contemporary rifles like the Lee Enfield Mk. I pre-* variants and the Krag-Jorgensen. This allows it to be a 'single shot' rifle, though not really. No matter how cool I think single shot rifles are and I love playing with them in Tannenberg I don't see why the magazine cut-off function would be added.

As Tharn mentioned, a colonial front game would see more single-shot rifles, like the Gras, Albini, Gewher 71, British Martini-Henry.

[The IRS]

A vast majority o 1871s were converted to 71/84s since it was just a modification, so they were uncommon, but still used.

[Bishop]

Publicado originalmente por The IRS:

A vast majority o 1871s were converted to 71/84s since it was just a modification, so they were uncommon, but still used.

Only on the homefront, IIRC they had sold off the remaining 71s before the war and had to bring them back in from shooting clubs to free up more modern weapons (but often still older weapons) to go closer to the front.