I'm fed up with the way most of the players play this game

[Vulpes ferrilata]

Hi

A short message to get your opinion on teamplay as Isonzo is about to celebrate its first birthday soon : why there is literally no teamplay in this game ?

This is not a recent problem, but I thought that over time players would start to master the game and play as a team, with tactics and coordination. Unfortunately this is not often the case.

There is almost no communication, most of the officers play stupidly for their points and no awareness of other players, the famous basic rule of "B first" must be constantly reminded. In the end, the games seem more influenced by individual exploits than by real team maneuvering.

I'm probably exaggerating (I'm for sure), but I get the impression that this game remains much closer to Call of Duty than Hell Let Loose (not to mention the gameplay here obviously but only teamplay), when I think he deserves much better (and he has definitely the potential).

Was this already the case on Verdun or Tannenberg?
Last but not least, what can we do to improve teamplay?

Thanks.

[srrrg]

while the "B first" strategy is true, it can be boring to always do B, A, B, A and so forth. Perhaps in competitive games it's a must, but for casual play, it can get boring...it's fun to have squads storm other spots and try different tactics.

so yes, as long as there are tactics :) I agree with your post, however, I'd say this game is in between arcady games and heavily tactical games.

[RNG Enjoyer]

This is by design. What you want is in hell let loose but that game suicided itself so maybe step further which is Squad

[The cursed Jäger]

引用自 LordHater：

This is by design. What you want is in hell let loose but that game suicided itself so maybe step further which is Squad

This. Solo play, running and gunning are encouraged by the game and will reward you very well. Teamplay is secondary. Communication optional.

The only way to fix this is to overhaul the game itself to become more team/squad centerd like Post Scriptum, Hell Let Loose, Squad. And that won't happen.

This is just how the game, or the series, is designed to be. An arcade shooter with WW1 visuals in which running and gunning is one of the best ways to play.

[Vulpes ferrilata]

引用自 srrrg：

while the "B first" strategy is true, it can be boring to always do B, A, B, A and so forth. Perhaps in competitive games it's a must, but for casual play, it can get boring...it's fun to have squads storm other spots and try different tactics.

so yes, as long as there are tactics :) I agree with your post, however, I'd say this game is in between arcady games and heavily tactical games.

You're right, but "B first" is the only tactic that works without in-depth team play. If the players communicated a little, other tactical perspectives could be explored, for sure.

引用自 The cursed Jäger：

引用自 LordHater：

This is by design. What you want is in hell let loose but that game suicided itself so maybe step further which is Squad

This. Solo play, running and gunning are encouraged by the game and will reward you very well. Teamplay is secondary. Communication optional.

The only way to fix this is to overhaul the game itself to become more team/squad centerd like Post Scriptum, Hell Let Loose, Squad. And that won't happen.

This is just how the game, or the series, is designed to be. An arcade shooter with WW1 visuals in which running and gunning is one of the best ways to play.

I have to admit I don't understand the point for developers of staying in the middle. This game will lose regular players who want, over time, a little bit more than a WW1 arcade shooter while it won't be able to keep casual players who prefer, in any case, AAA games. When you have as few players as Isonzo, I think you have to make sure you retain the players who keep the game going.

[Super King]

I prefer it this way. I like to feel that i have real agency to turn the tide or win the objective.

I play hell let loose too. It can be real annoying when the other team are coordinating tanks + artillery + commander. Then your team just isnt...

you've already lost, nothing you can do but hope you get put on the other team next time. Even if you are on the coordinated team, the win still wasnt really down to you.
I get the appeal but its not for me.

teamplay in isonzo revolves around the spuad spawn system. Always be considering your squads spawn situation.

[Chungal Grease]

引用自 The cursed Jäger：

This. Solo play, running and gunning are encouraged by the game and will reward you very well. Teamplay is secondary. Communication optional.

The only way to fix this is to overhaul the game itself to become more team/squad centerd like Post Scriptum, Hell Let Loose, Squad. And that won't happen.

This is just how the game, or the series, is designed to be. An arcade shooter with WW1 visuals in which running and gunning is one of the best ways to play.

Teamplay is secondary in Isonzo? I thought it had built in VOIP and squads that moved around with you. That's not the case? I've been playing Squad since it came out and also put a little time into Verdun and Tannenburg but if its just another headless chicken zerg rush game set in WW1 its probably not going to appeal to me. I was thinking about buying the whole Isonzo package this evening but only 40 people on steamcharts seems disappointing to say the least for $75.

[The cursed Jäger]

引用自 Zylfrax791：

Teamplay is secondary in Isonzo? I thought it had built in VOIP and squads that moved around with you. That's not the case? I've been playing Squad since it came out and also put a little time into Verdun and Tannenburg but if its just another headless chicken zerg rush game set in WW1 its probably not going to appeal to me. I was thinking about buying the whole Isonzo package this evening but only 40 people on steamcharts seems disappointing to say the least for $75.

VOIP is not used at all. Never, actually. The ammount of communication happening is limited to insults, jokes or "Take A", "Left", "Right". That's it.

Squads are normally not coordinated either. The only benefit from them is the spawns they provide, otherwise nobody tries to be tactical in a squad.

As said, people don't care about teamplay because it is not a hard requirement.

With friends, or a dedicated group, all the above, of course, does not apply, but, in general, that's how it is. Teamplay is minimal, no coordination and communication

[Chungal Grease]

引用自 The cursed Jäger：

VOIP is not used at all. Never, actually. The ammount of communication happening is limited to insults, jokes or "Take A", "Left", "Right". That's it.

Squads are normally not coordinated either. The only benefit from them is the spawns they provide, otherwise nobody tries to be tactical in a squad.

As said, people don't care about teamplay because it is not a hard requirement.

With friends, or a dedicated group, all the above, of course, does not apply, but, in general, that's how it is. Teamplay is minimal, no coordination and communication

That's disappointing. Especially since all the framework is there what with the squads and the built in VOIP. The game looks amazing but I don't think I can justify spending $75 for the game and all the DLC's especially when theres typically only around 40-50 playing during the evenings.

[RedSeptember]

引用自 LordHater：

This is by design. What you want is in hell let loose but that game suicided itself so maybe step further which is Squad

lol what? HLL has a lot of players. Game is doing fine and good updates on the way. Stop spewing false info.

[Hock Malsuum]

"I have to admit I don't understand the point for developers of staying in the middle. This game will lose regular players who want, over time, a little bit more than a WW1 arcade shooter while it won't be able to keep casual players who prefer, in any case, AAA games. When you have as few players as Isonzo, I think you have to make sure you retain the players who keep the game going."
That's exactly the kind of game i like to play, between simulation and arcade. I have 2000hrs in Red orchestra 2/Rising Storm so you can play that kind of game for a long time and keep a player base. And i've never played AAA games in FPS, though 2hrs game long in Post Scriptum or Hell let loose are not my thing and they usually lack some ambience or scenery.
It's nice to see a middle ground.