remove the bots, PLEASE

[Thenetor47[FR]]

i was always defending the game, but this time i have to complain about it.

remove the bots please, don't even try to improve them, they're useless, here's the problems :

1) bad pathfinding : it seem that they're always calculating trajectory so they're either getting stuck or they take longer walking times from us.

2) AI vs AI : i got to destroy some plants to make them able to shot the enemies that got those plants between them.

3) tactics : they're lacking of tactics, all they do is following us, even sticking us like we're on an overcrowded metro station, which can block our ways, trapping us inside one-door buildings.

also against predator... they're acting like the normal AIs, all they do is staring the predator when he's cloaked and shoot if he approach them too close, and have an overpowered firing precision that all players don't have...

so please, REMOVE the bots, they're useless and are breaking the game, they broken the normal AI's behavior

[Darth Siles]

On the contrary.

If you don't like bots, don't use them and find people to play.

Some of us, doesn't have the spare time to wait 10 minutes to play a single game as a predator and prefer to have bots, even if they are far from perfect (or far from good)

[Thenetor47[FR]]

Originally posted by Darth Siles:

On the contrary.

If you don't like bots, don't use them and find people to play.

Some of us, doesn't have the spare time to wait 10 minutes to play a single game as a predator and prefer to have bots, even if they are far from perfect (or far from good)

the bots do nothing than following badly the players, they aren't even doing the objectives, they're useless, they have overpowered accuracy despite how heavily scripted to the worst they are, and... we are FORCED to get them in PUBLIC, why can't we get a special hunt variant for bots, instead of drastically changing the whole gamemode?

so, all you will play as the predator, would be a Left 4 Dead in where the survivor isn't leaving the safe zone, but you're automatically spawned and will only be able to go in ranged because if you come too close you'll be on low health quickly due of the overpowered accuracy i've told you about.

[Darth Siles]

So the problem is the bots are bad programmed.

It is NOT that bots are not necessary in this game. They have to improve them obviously, but not remove them.

[Thenetor47[FR]]

Originally posted by Darth Siles:

So the problem is the bots are bad programmed.

It is NOT that bots are not necessary in this game. They have to improve them obviously, but not remove them.

maybe yes, but they shouldn't force us to get them in public games, because it's unfair for both the fireteam and the predator, for those reasons :

1) for the predator, it would mean that killing a specific player would mean nothing, because that specific player could just take over one of the surviving AI and be fully geared up with all of its health, so, like Matrix when the Agent Smith can morph from anyone to end up fighting Neo again.

2) they're still in an alpha/beta stage, and having added them in that state is, for me, unacceptable, because you can't just add something that's obviously so broken that it still need a lot of works, in an fully released game, this is why i want their removal, to be either thrown out or be reworked in private from the public.

3) anyone can take over the Ais, so it would be bad that someone that haven't enough of skills (or experience), singlehandely waste all of them while the experienced players could have used better their take overs, instead of doing their own personal things like rushing throught the predator like i do often, to be sometime killed quickly.

4) bots aren't humans, when someone get downed, a human player would watch if the area is secured to make sure he would get safely his mate back on its feet, but the bots are too obsessed about getting the downed back on its feet, so the predator player could just wait the AIs to come and use his ranged weapons against them, because the AIs have somewhat a limited range in where they can shoot, i have done a private game with some two friends (one took the predator), and when the AI #1 got downed, the AI #2 just stopped everything to revive his mate, while he was being claimed.

so, maybe removing them completly from the game would be drastic, but they shouldn't force us to get them in public, they still need a lot of work, so maybe even temporarly removing them for that would be better, so we'll get proper working and fair AIs, instead of inflicting unfair games to both sides.

[Pekmez Pita]

Originally posted by Darth Siles:

So the problem is the bots are bad programmed.

That would imply that they have an AI programmer on staff when they clearly don't.

These ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ can't even do simple pathfinding. No, not the bots. Illfonic.

[SWATMAN]

yeah, just need improve the AI predator and AI fireteam bot

[Darth Siles]

Originally posted by Thenetor47FR:

maybe yes, but they shouldn't force us to get them in public games :

I didn't know it worked that way as i play usually solo games.

So, if there's bots in public games, you are completely right. I thought that bots were only available in solo Predator games.

[Thenetor47[FR]]

Originally posted by Darth Siles:

I didn't know it worked that way as i play usually solo games.

So, if there's bots in public games, you are completely right. I thought that bots were only available in solo Predator games.

yes here's bots in public games, and they even take over the slots of those that got disconnected or just willingly left the game, it really kill the human side of our gameplay, like by shooting first a predator so being the ones that engaged the combat, instead of being tactical and strategical by waiting the predator to shoot first so the longer the hostilities won't start, the longer the fireteam may survive.

[DJMatus]

I liked the game without bots too... cant explain it. Seemed more au natural.

[ᚺᛟᚾᛊᛁᛖᚷ]

Originally posted by Thenetor47FR:

so, maybe removing them completly from the game would be drastic, but they shouldn't force us to get them in public, they still need a lot of work, so maybe even temporarly removing them for that would be better, so we'll get proper working and fair AIs, instead of inflicting unfair games to both sides.

So what you are actually asking for is an option for players to ban bots when queueing for a game - waiting time would increase but it would be guaranteed bot-free once it started, right?

[ᚺᛟᚾᛊᛁᛖᚷ]

Originally posted by Dark Knight:

yeah, just need improve the AI predator and AI fireteam bot

I assume there is no AI predator currently implemented, or is there?

I love Predator franchise so I follow news about this game but as I am a strictly solo player (as in no alive pvp nor coop) I am postponing my purchases till the game gets functional bots (if ever). News about fireteam bots added were for me unexpected and exciting but I see it is still far from fully functional. And given the state of matchmaking there seems to be no incentive whatsoever for devs to implement a predator bot.

[Thenetor47[FR]]

Originally posted by grrusa:

So what you are actually asking for is an option for players to ban bots when queueing for a game - waiting time would increase but it would be guaranteed bot-free once it started, right?

i'm asking more for a variant without bots if their removal is too high demanding, the waiting time would stay the same because it doesn't matter if bots or not, here will always be a need for one commando and one predator to launch a game, due of the fact that i still encounter empty lobby in where here's only myself and i.

[SecretAgentKiiN 特务健]

Typical gamer culture, whatever thing you don't like, wanted it to be remove "entirely".

Why never consider a peaceful solution? Developer provide a option to toggle & filter what you see in the game? Win win situation, rather than demand everyone follow your way for gaming.

[SecretAgentKiiN 特务健]

Originally posted by Thenetor47FR:

due of the fact that i still encounter empty lobby in where here's only myself and i.

Empty lobby? Older game usually will happen this, please don't blame the game, because gamer only just focus on another new release game, rather than playing an old game, unless the game is ranked as world top 10 daily PvP matches..

Human will love to join the crowd, which mean:
Crowded game ≠ Good game
Good game ≠ Everyone love it
Everyone love it ≠ The entire human being no matter what age, genre or skill.

New released game; crowd last for 3-8 months
World top PvP game; crowd remain for 5-10 years

[SecretAgentKiiN 特务健]

Originally posted by grrusa:

I love Predator franchise so I follow news about this game but as I am a strictly solo player

Me too. Sadly modern era is has low demand for singleplayer game, unless it is a open world with looting and grindy crafting stuff. That called it singleplayer game... So in the near future, they grow up with that mindset, singleplayer will become another definition.