traction etc on/off thing?

[Amorphos_Z]

so as with many games, you turn off traction and stability controls, like its some big secret which everyone knows tho. just have the damn things on for everyone permanently and for everything!
why do games do shiz like this?

[XBL Laberbacke]

Because options. Don't force "help" onto people that they don't want.

[TAPE971]

At least in Forza with street/road racing if you know how to drive, traction control, stability control and braking assists off makes you faster. Exception pretty much being dirt and cross country, maybe you're a tenth or two quicker in those race types with assists turned on.

But forcing that on people in general is just a dumb take on this topic.

As much as i am going in the complete opposite direction and say for certain things assists should be turned off for everyone (trial for example), i'm not gonna demand that my idea should be implemented, neither should yours. Let players have the option to enable or disable that stuff.

[Amorphos_Z]

one way or the other, so that people don't have an advantage/disadvantage because they want their cars to drive properly. assists have been developed because like diffs, they should make you corner faster. equally they don't make you faster in a straight line.

ergo devs have got them wrong when off, so just have them on for everyone all the time!

[Amorphos_Z]

having the option forces me and others to turn the assists off, but i don't want to!

the cars feel really bad and unreal with assists off.

[Hundinger]

And I want them off. Don't make decisions for me.

[Amorphos_Z]

no, you are making decisions for me. i don't want them off because its not realistic, but i have to because some people think they have discovered a big secret. you can't seriously prefer the handling with them off? it's like driving on ice with grease on it.

i am not forcing people to drive bad with cars which don't drive properly, others are doing that to me though. ...and i can drive good.

[TAPE971]

Originally posted by Amorphos_Z:

no, you are making decisions for me. i don't want them off because its not realistic, but i have to because some people think they have discovered a big secret. you can't seriously prefer the handling with them off? it's like driving on ice with grease on it.

i am not forcing people to drive bad with cars which don't drive properly, others are doing that to me though. ...and i can drive good.

Yes i can and do prefer the handling with assists off as do may others obviously. It is more fun to me. And if you honestly think it is like driving on ice with grease on it you have no idea how to set up your cars it seems. Ultimately with your idea of assists on for everyone you force players to play in a way they don't want to. Turning assists on or off is a choice and it's fine the way it is.

[Amorphos_Z]

i got my cars tuned perfectly now, and i don't want to have to re-tune them when you cant turn them off for online - that's when your cars are all over the place.

pure racing would have everyone with the same! so that it, IS JUST ABOUT THE DRIVER.

[kireta]

Originally posted by Amorphos_Z:

assists have been developed because like diffs, they should make you corner faster. equally they don't make you faster in a straight line.

Assists have been developed to protect drivers from their own mistakes.

[Amorphos_Z]

so have them off, or on for everyone - whichever is best - take a vote or something.

[No suggestions]

Bro what? If you want them on, then keep them on.
Why is this such a problem for you? Are you scared of choices or something?

[N0xEterniS]

What the actual.. wow.. this is incredible.. do u even realize what you're saying? Brah you're ♥♥♥♥ at the game, alright? GET F GOOOD and stop spreading ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on the forums.

[Cathulhu]

Originally posted by Amorphos_Z:

so have them off, or on for everyone - whichever is best - take a vote or something.

Just do what you want and don't dictate others to play like you play.
They're called OPTIONS for a reason. Those are not mandatory.

Don't be a jerk.

[Moga CMDR]

I have tried to understand the OP, but the more posts I read the less I think they understand things.

For one, in "pure" racing, not all cars are equal. They don't all have the same tech. An old trans am or viper wouldn't even have these features at all. But newer cars might.

So turning things all on, or all off isn't remotely close to how it works.

Keep in mind the Horizon games are about freedom. So forcing things isn't how they get down.

Unrelated to the OPs demand, I kinda wish older cars that didn't have TCS/SC needed upgrades in-game to add said tech. That would be neato. But I know they wouldn't do it. I don't think most people would appreciate it to be honest.

[Amorphos_Z]

traction control in rl does not make cars faster on the straight parts of the track.

my objection is thus; yesterday i tried pvp with assists off, kept doing 360's. so i would have to retune some of my vehicles for pvp with traction on [so they dont spin all the time], and then have to retune them with assists off for offline races and festival races [the ones not pvp required].

what is it that i am not understanding? you know what racing is yes? they add traction controls because before that the cars didn't handle as well. ergo assists switched on, should make you faster and brake much better, especially if you also switch abs off as well.

maybe i should just keep assists off and retune everything, and contend with the horrible and unrealistic handling?