Limit top speeds in open online racing.

[nacho]

As title says, just in an effort to make the racing 'fair'. Limiting top speeds with each class to avoid the stupid tunes that we all use to stay competitive.

I'd love to hear opinions on this.

[CascadeHush]

PP is supposed to balance all that. I don't play open because I tried it a couple of times and it was a horrible experience. I don't think arbitrary top speed limits are going to fix that. It will only make the cars bunch up even more and have even more aggressive intentional ramming.

How would you even limit top speed within the bounds of a PP based system anyway? Just punish people for top speed builds, that's probably going to punish more genuine players than people playing unfairly.

I do play Horizon Tour, much friendlier all around, rarely get a rammer, rarely see somebody so far ahead that it's clear they are cheating (when I have they ended up glitching out and not finishing the tour).

[Harpic1950]

Agreed on-line in FH5 is crap totally but so if Motorsport (23 aka8) same reason ramming

[Sherlok]

Great suggestion! Additionally I propose to block all gears besides rear, make all cars one-wheel drive and restrict steering wheel rotation to one degree.

[TheSmilingDoom]

It is the PI/tuning system that needs an overhaul/rebalance.
Your suggestion is a can of worms that wouldn't lead to anything good. What about acceleration and traction? You want to cap this, too? In the end, why even have different cars and tunes, they'd be all the same eventually.

[TybeeMutt]

I have to agree with the it will bunch up the drivers.

For the other person running what seemed like an identical setup to my car, I'm sorry. We both had the same speed, cornering, etc. And really just tripped all over each other in open racing.

Variety of setups, top speed, handling, traction, etc 'should' emphasis on should. Allow for certain conditions you excel or suffer in. However, it seems that the meta allows far more winning with conditions that end up more common.

Not having a lot of handling, so much as "just enough". Not having too much top end so much as a lot of acceleration.

And, my biggest criticism of open racing. Just drive a rally setup and you'll do better over all.

[CascadeHush]

Originally posted by TybeeMutt:

Not having a lot of handling, so much as "just enough". Not having too much top end so much as a lot of acceleration.

Well that's how I tune my cars. Only just enough grip that it's challenging but not frustrating to drive fast and just enough top speed that you aren't hitting the rev limiter in top gear. With that I can win more often than not against the AI in Pro difficulty on road races and also do decently enough in Horizon Open that I'm usually on the podium.

But if I'm behind somebody that is fishtailing all over the road, all bets are off. I might quit or I might barge past, but if you are swerving so much that I can't make a clean pass even though I'm faster, I'm not playing nice.

[el tejón roja]

Top speeds not so much an issue for me..if you throw all the upgrades into top speed, you suffer on brakes, launch, handling etc. which makes for a poorly balanced tune

A perfect tune would actually be track specific.. a track with long sweeping straights would benefit from a different tune to one with more/sharper corners.

For example, I'm absolutely bossing it with the ford GT40 64, on this weeks 'can you a-ford it' challenge.

More luck than skill but I have the perfect tune for this challenge... I'm just about hitting the rev limiter in top gear on the straights...no need for more speed, in this case better brakes, launch and handling really pay off, as I can brake later, corner faster, and accelerate out of the corner faster than 99% of the competition, so I'm just sailing past everyone on the corners.

Another example is the MG metro I have... a top speed of 120 which is really slow, but awesome acceleration and excellent offroad tuning...but it's only any use on one tight offroad track: the Baja circuit, as it's so tight and twisty, top speed is pretty much irrelevant.

[CascadeHush]

Originally posted by el tejón roja:

A perfect tune would actually be track specific.. a track with long sweeping straights would benefit from a different tune to one with more/sharper corners.

Well yeah, even down to the camber angles, and the individual gear rations tuned to optimise as many corners as possible. I used to do that in Gran Turismo back on the PSX.

Originally posted by el tejón roja:

Another example is the MG metro I have... a top speed of 120

I have a P900 KTM Xbow tuned for the track that smokes almost everything on every circuit at Pro difficulty except Playa Azul which is basically flat out 90% of the time and it just doesn't have the top speed necessary. I just couldn't be bothered trying to re-tune it just for that one track because it's perfect. Unusable on the Colossus because it gets smoked when you get to the really long fast highway sections.

[el tejón roja]

Yeah, you know if someone has a car with really good acceleration and top speed, it ain't gonna be so good at braking or turning corners... so use that to your advantage...

That's the spirit of Horizon!

[CascadeHush]

I see some drivers fishtailing everywhere. It's usually only a matter of time before they crash or miss a checkpoint.

[ZombieHunter]

Lots of people think to be fast you have to go fast. And this is simply not true. Speed means nothing without handling to complement it. And handling means nothing unless you can also slow the car down without upsetting the chassis.

Case in point, the new Nissan Z performance is putting out 400 hp at the crank based on Nissan's numbers. The BRZ puts out just over 200. Yet on the track the Z and the BRZ are almost in a dead heat. Why? Surely the Z can leave the BRZ in the dust on the straights right? Of course. But it can't handle the corners and so any advantage it creates in the straights it loses in the corners.

But the Nismo version of the Z will absolutely destroy the BRZ because it has far better handling. However, the Nismo Z will be a pain in the butt on streets because of the suspension setup, whereas the BRZ might be a tad nicer as a daily. Horsepower is not everything. It is also how you put it to the ground.

Speed on a road course and an oval, is more about handling than raw power. I see people with drag strip tunes on a road course and I know it isn't going to end well. Two very different races with different goals.

[nomadpotato]

when you playing online use more balanced tunes with high handling/brake power instead the ones builded for high-end top speed. I've done 5.5k online races and finished top 3 in at least 3.5k of them with just using these kind of tunes. there's not much you can do about those drivers who uses crazy as* meta tunes, they play the game just for winning, not for fun