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Why would you want less cars?? People that like the game want more and more cars. If you don't play the game anymore, why not just move on instead of wishing for less?
For most it's not that, but it's more to do with this practice if the game was $50 and they decided to do car packs I'd have no issues like during PS3/360 days or even PS2 era of gaming.
This game is $100 and regardless of how you feel there isn't $100 worth of stuff in this game. When you compare this to the likes of Red Dead Redemption 2 or even Baulder's Gate 3. Do you really feel like you've gotten a $100 worth for Forza Horizon 5. Add onto that my own personal belief that most of FH5 is ripped from FH4 so that makes it worse.
In an age of gaming where you've had Witcher 3 and all it's content. Baulder's Gate 3 and what they've done as well people are going to start taking notice.
Game didn't cost you $100, it was $60 game + preorder of DLCs announced before release: Car Pass DLCs and 2 expacs.
It's been over 2 years since FH5 release, if anything it's surprise game keeps getting new content beyond what was promised at all.
Well yes, blind buying not always pays off, even at discount. Mileage may vary. I got hundreds of hours out of it, so I can't say I overpayed. Even if map DLCs were kinda meh, and in hindsight getting Prem was a mistake.
Not bad value.
I do understand they baked it in, but when you pay $100 I don't care who you are unless you're Bezos or Musk it better include everything. Also part of the reason I boycotted them with new Forza Motorsport is I can see this practice get worse and worse. Look at Sims 4 if you want to know what the future of gaming will look like soon.
The person below you thinks calculating hours played = $100 worth is insane. I've played games that didn't cost even half what FH5 cost and still feel like I got ripped off.
Regardless I don't like the direction gaming is going ATM, and for me the $100 is a gauge to see who falls for it(Which I definitely did because of Forza Horizon 4 being extremely good), and next thing you know games and I mean the base games alone will cost $100, but that's the line for me.
There is a reason that grey market sites are growing and others regardless of legalities of them.
Depends if you like the game or not, i'm sure we've all bought games before and after a few hours realise you just don't like the game, and that's fine.
My point is... the number of hours played Vs cost of game is a big thing... FH5 is probably the best value game I've ever bought, because I happen to really like it I've played it a ton, (and still do) so for me it's worth every penny.
If you don't LIKE a game you got "ripped-off." ANY game. They all cost at least $40.
Getting few hours out of a game because it was not fun is what is being tossed around here.
Fifty dollars. I just bought a 15 hour long singleplayer game from what's, perhaps, fairly called a A 1/2 level company for $50. It's a hot seller (Robocop: Rogue City).
Is a game franchise that is set in two countries with entirely different maps, numbers only two total, a dishonest duplication? That is nothing. Game companies selling on Steam and MS's store, and elsewhere, turn out games with sequels that number three times that many. If it is a winning formula, then half a dozen games (Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, Call of Duty, for examples) can be made and all snapped up over years of development time.
Is FH5 a rip-off because it has hundreds of reproductions of vehicles, the vast vast majority of them real world autos, like FH4 does as well? Should they have been changed? If so, how? They are real world vehicles, or at least auto manufacturers' concept cars that P.G. made real, as if produced in numbers. The LEGOs "cars" are indeed stupid. The Hot Wheels cars are not stupid. When given P.G./Turn 10s design treatment they look like working race cars, not toys. The stranger three or four still could pass as drivable custom-made novelty cars that you'd see in car museums. Maybe late 60s, 70s and 80s movie or tv show types. They'd drive. Not at 100 mph! but they're part of a non-sim game, so. The Twin Mill you can't see out of. You'd crash into a tree or house in it :D
Repeating the backbone of content that is several hundred cars isn't a rip-off. Because you need those cars, right?! What else would you drive in the next game.
There is certainly $100 of maps tracks good racing and car collecting content in the FULL game. Well, at least $80 (I detest the $20 Hot Wheels mini-game released nine months after launch).
Racing games isn't everyone's genre.
In singleplayer, in this game, you can go for a few hundred hours, driving and changing over to another new to you car once per hour, so that's fair *if you like car racing and collecting/upgrading/customizing.*
All of this can BE CLEARLY CHECKED OUT ahead of time on Youtube. There are so many 'pro' game channels reviewing it and amateur reviews and gameplay galore on there. There is no con going on here. This is normal. Gaming is a "rich" kids hobby, like movie going, and music collecting & concert going can also be. The PCs and consoles cost a fortune, first of all.
Everyone who does their homework knows the deal here with Forza Horizon's two games, and for some people racing games themselves turn out not to be their thing despite the warning signs! they had available to them to help them decide if they saw themselves enjoying it. Gotta do you homework these days; every game is $50 and up.
Forza Horizon is considered as solid a racing game for the general gaming public as there is, currently. Ubisoft just tried to copy it and failed. I sunk way over a $100 in it.
If you are just a little bit experienced in pretend driving you can do it. It can be adjusted down to an arcade level. It can be raised to a simcade too. It has a very large excellently rendered open world with a lot! of makes and models of finely reproduced vehicles - everything imaginable for people's tastes.
The premium game is $100. Premium. If you are a service sector person that could be unaffordable, really. However if racing games are your thing, wait and get it on sale.
No, do not part with over a days wages.....but perhaps buy the basic game for less than a day's wages and decide what expansion(s) you want, if at all.
If, as you say, FH4 is the same game, aka FH5 a rip-off of it, start with game 4. I guess you did though, BlueSixMuse (?)
Game four is game one, because no previous Forza Game exists anymore.
Forza Horizon 4 is on sale frequently on Steam.
The basic games, both, are published by Microsoft so if you have $10-15 a month invested in their store membership, both basic Forza Horizon games cost you nothing [extra].
Because you're not giving away a lot of your paycheck just for one game. Those of us with serious bills wouldn't want to start trying to justify spending for a game that cost $100, and yes I know the game itself doesn't cost $100, but paying $50 for at least 1 game and possible $50 for a second game beats paying $100 for just 1. Edit: Back in the day that is.
Also most people are unaware when it comes to these practices Microsoft is trying. Before long games will cost $80, $90, and then $100+ know why because they're using testing grounds of base game vs deluxe vs premium, and they continue to do this to gauge what most people will buy.
I never said if I don't like all games I got ripped off every game I just said there are games I've paid a lot for that I felt ripped off even though you'd try to justify that I beat it so that's not what happened. Kingdom Hearts 2(without final mix content) from PS2 era comes to mind right now. Beat that game, but it was built off hype of Kingdom Hearts 1 and Kingdom Hearts chain of memories of GBA which were great games.
Edit: When I finally beat Kingdom Hearts 2, I swore never to purchase new titles that cost straight up $50 because there hadn't been many games I've played that are worth that alone. In fact there still hasn't been one game in memory that was worth $20 let alone the $50 was NFL 2K5 there was so much to do with that game and content was great, and even now after almost 20 years I go back to play because of how bad Madden has been.
This is same thing with Forza Horizon 4 to Forza Horizon 5. I was late to getting Forza Horizon 4 so 5 was only a year around the corner.
Edit: Dude I've been playing racing games at least since 1998 (actually before that too)N64 World Grand Prix even with Gran Turismo there was never a game I felt was a Gran Turismo 5.5 or something until much later down the line if at all.
Hey though enjoy I'll still be here in a few years when the inevitable appears and happens, and the same people defending this saying things are all right will be in my shoes and others like OP or even the other threads that's been posted here.
Also understand this it's not just Forza I'm upset with you should go take a look around at other genres sometime it's equally as bad.
I've been looking at getting the Premium edition, but i just found out that purchasing the biggest eddition which includes car pass and season pass doesnt include 2 car packs ...
What the he11 !!!
I hate modern games.
Edit: your 14 year old girl avatar has nice titties, "Dude." But seriously, your two edits make up half of your reply and are N/A to what I wrote. Except that you seem to still maintain that you'd be ok with a $50 Forza Horizon game as long as they were upfront about the total content for $50. ...And then they could add the post game 1.5 dollar each DLC cars to their hearts delight.
I said that everybody could see what the game was going to be AT LAUNCH in many many youtube 'pro' channel and amateur reviews and hours of live gameplay. Fifty dollars was NOT A REASONABLE COST FOR THAT.
If you elected to pay the full price you were pre-purchasing two major expansions. If you did that, that's your choice. But the basic game was not overpriced - not that which was observable, literally, from many online sources, from formal reviews of the Nov. 2021 game (it's launch/first day sold) to hours of game footage recorded by many people who were given early full access to the game before day 1.
You didn't like the game. Many people did not and quit really early on. Many say it sucks, currently. That you have been a pretend car race driver since 1998 means that there have got to have been other games you've bought and tried that you considered "rip-offs," too.
It's not about more or less cars. I still play this game actively every week. I even bought the first 3 packs as they had cars I felt were worth it. The problem is the precedent monthly DLC sets for a game that's basing itself around a live service model, something that's placed itself more to forefront with the Forza Motorsport release, which is no secret that it had been received extremely poorly according to Steam reviews along with these DLC. Whether it's a correct way to react, people want to feel like when they buy the game, they bought the WHOLE game. The developers, for better and for worse, have to think how to address this.
That's why my proposed solution is less frequent releases that are more content rich. The number of cars you would get would be exactly the same. Monthly DLC releases for 5-10 dollars will not be sustainable for most players. That's also without going how poor of a value it is compared the car pass that is sold at 30 dollars for 42 cars, which these will be compared to. These packs would be better received if they a) released less frequently and b) included the cars that would've been released monthly into a single pack, like if Italian exotics, race car pack, and speed pack got combined into one pack for 20 dollars including those cars. The packaging makes huge difference on how people perceive it.
I really enjoy the game as evidenced by having all the achievements and over 700 hours, but I'm not going to pretend the game doesn't have problems that are usually addressed inadequately.
The map in the game is once again, the worst I've seen in any open world racing game. There is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nothing going on, most of the map being a giant flat desert. The "main city" feels like a ghost town, because the only life you'll ever see in there is some random cars driving on the roads and like 3 of the same people models copy and pasted in some places with.
The story, guess what, is the worst out of any racing game I've ever played. Most of the "missions" are just "go from point A to point B in X amount of time. Btw you'll have to completely ignore the route we gave you to get 3 stars." Other missions are just "get X amount of skill points in Y amount of time."