Our Money is NEVER enough for them

[Kira Von Black]

Pay Ultimate edition and expected full content = Screw You
Expect an Experience free of Microtransactions = Screw You
Wait for Years for the game to get good and when it finally does get hit by more decisions, Bugs and Greed = Screw You

Best Regards - Microsoft

Seriously, i thought Racing games were a refuge i could escape from those pratices. but hey, Shareholders are more important than your consumers it seems.

[Nameless Avatar]

They are adding 8 free cars in the next update. Would you have preferred they stopped working on the game after the 2nd expansion, which delivered all they originally promised?

[Grapplemania]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kira Von Black:

Pay Ultimate edition and expected full content = Screw You
Expect an Experience free of Microtransactions = Screw You
Wait for Years for the game to get good and when it finally does get hit by more decisions, Bugs and Greed = Screw You

Best Regards - Microsoft

Seriously, i thought Racing games were a refuge i could escape from those pratices. but hey, Shareholders are more important than your consumers it seems.

Mind telling me where it says you get all content on the ultimate edition?

[Reame]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Nameless Avatar:

They are adding 8 free cars in the next update. Would you have preferred they stopped working on the game after the 2nd expansion, which delivered all they originally promised?

They are adding cars which are already in the game, 50% "new" cars are just ported from FH4 and older games.

[Swarmfly]

Woe to us who have already have everything, and are found wanting when that everything is no longer so.

[Kira Von Black]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Nameless Avatar:

They are adding 8 free cars in the next update. Would you have preferred they stopped working on the game after the 2nd expansion, which delivered all they originally promised?

Yes, i would.
there, said it. better a made and done game than a game that just nickles and dimes everyone.

[Kira Von Black]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Stranger:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kira Von Black:

Pay Ultimate edition and expected full content = Screw You
Expect an Experience free of Microtransactions = Screw You
Wait for Years for the game to get good and when it finally does get hit by more decisions, Bugs and Greed = Screw You

Best Regards - Microsoft

Seriously, i thought Racing games were a refuge i could escape from those pratices. but hey, Shareholders are more important than your consumers it seems.

Mind telling me where it says you get all content on the ultimate edition?

Mind telling me why they say they are selling a "complete game" when the game is not complete?!

lemme recap for you:

Event Lab Island = Get close to 90% and you get crashes every 5 minutes. you better save like a OCD person or your hours of progess into the trash.
Sells Ultimate edition and goes back on their word, changing mid-game their business pratice (No, they do NOT have the right to do so. and NO, nothing you say will change my mind, so don't even waste your time)
Does the game 2 years MTX free to just put it later on, and think no one would notice, not to mention selling it as a "time saver" (does Auction House, and actually playing the game for money to buy the cars ring any bells?!)
Releases another game so poorly that it needs to dip down in their spin off series to get funding to complete something they were 6 years into making (and before anyone here begins defending them: NO. and it is obvious.)
Bothers fixing their Hypersensitive Language filter or even ♥♥♥♥♥♥ some QOL features everyone was asking on the Editor for both car livery and event lab?! Nope... instead starts losing time adding more and more and more cars no one asked, and no one cares: How many more versions of Corvettes does this game needs?! will they add every year the new minimally facelifted model of a car and say: here, now pony up?! instead of going for what people are asking for millenia: more interesting cars that we never seen before (like i dunno, a car from Africa like the Laraki Epitome or Brazil like the Gurgel BR800 for example, instead of the millionth Corvette, or 4th version of the Porsche 356?!), and more starting places where we can start our races?! No?! (and again, don't even start with that. i am aware they added 3 new routes, and NO, it is NOT enough. they could spend their time there).

[Grapplemania]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kira Von Black:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Stranger:

Mind telling me where it says you get all content on the ultimate edition?

Mind telling me why they say they are selling a "complete game" when the game is not complete?!

lemme recap for you:

Event Lab Island = Get close to 90% and you get crashes every 5 minutes. you better save like a OCD person or your hours of progess into the trash.
Sells Ultimate edition and goes back on their word, changing mid-game their business pratice (No, they do NOT have the right to do so. and NO, nothing you say will change my mind, so don't even waste your time)
Does the game 2 years MTX free to just put it later on, and think no one would notice, not to mention selling it as a "time saver" (does Auction House, and actually playing the game for money to buy the cars ring any bells?!)
Releases another game so poorly that it needs to dip down in their spin off series to get funding to complete something they were 6 years into making (and before anyone here begins defending them: NO. and it is obvious.)
Bothers fixing their Hypersensitive Language filter or even ♥♥♥♥♥♥ some QOL features everyone was asking on the Editor for both car livery and event lab?! Nope... instead starts losing time adding more and more and more cars no one asked, and no one cares: How many more versions of Corvettes does this game needs?! will they add every year the new minimally facelifted model of a car and say: here, now pony up?! instead of going for what people are asking for millenia: more interesting cars that we never seen before (like i dunno, a car from Africa like the Laraki Epitome or Brazil like the Gurgel BR800 for example, instead of the millionth Corvette, or 4th version of the Porsche 356?!), and more starting places where we can start our races?! No?! (and again, don't even start with that. i am aware they added 3 new routes, and NO, it is NOT enough. they could spend their time there).

I agree with 90% of this, But you still dident anwer my question where have they said that the ultimate edition included all content? People constantly claim the ultimate edition was supposed to have all content yet it says nowhere that it will, Genuinely would like a answer.

[Kira Von Black]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Stranger:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kira Von Black:

Mind telling me why they say they are selling a "complete game" when the game is not complete?!

lemme recap for you:

Event Lab Island = Get close to 90% and you get crashes every 5 minutes. you better save like a OCD person or your hours of progess into the trash.
Sells Ultimate edition and goes back on their word, changing mid-game their business pratice (No, they do NOT have the right to do so. and NO, nothing you say will change my mind, so don't even waste your time)
Does the game 2 years MTX free to just put it later on, and think no one would notice, not to mention selling it as a "time saver" (does Auction House, and actually playing the game for money to buy the cars ring any bells?!)
Releases another game so poorly that it needs to dip down in their spin off series to get funding to complete something they were 6 years into making (and before anyone here begins defending them: NO. and it is obvious.)
Bothers fixing their Hypersensitive Language filter or even ♥♥♥♥♥♥ some QOL features everyone was asking on the Editor for both car livery and event lab?! Nope... instead starts losing time adding more and more and more cars no one asked, and no one cares: How many more versions of Corvettes does this game needs?! will they add every year the new minimally facelifted model of a car and say: here, now pony up?! instead of going for what people are asking for millenia: more interesting cars that we never seen before (like i dunno, a car from Africa like the Laraki Epitome or Brazil like the Gurgel BR800 for example, instead of the millionth Corvette, or 4th version of the Porsche 356?!), and more starting places where we can start our races?! No?! (and again, don't even start with that. i am aware they added 3 new routes, and NO, it is NOT enough. they could spend their time there).

I agree with 90% of this, But you still dident anwer my question where have they said that the ultimate edition included all content? People constantly claim the ultimate edition was supposed to have all content yet it says nowhere that it will, Genuinely would like a answer.

i won't say you didn't got a point because you got. but besides that, you gotta consider the following:

- the main point i'll raise is that, there was NO option from the start that guaranteed all content. and that is IMO the thing that i cannot swallow. if they gave us the option to buy everything for 500 BRL from the very begining, i would not be complaining at all, because that would be the version of the game i would be buying... and again, they fliped the rules mid-game, which is not ok in my view (specifically the car vouchers).

- The price of the game where i live is 500 BRL. if you convert that may not sound as much. but remember that we recieve in this coin and not on Dollar. imagine paying 500 USD on your game?! yeah, it is how we feel.

- The Ammount of Stuff they promissed while plentifull, it is still disapointing in my opnion. they could've focused on Variety instead of quantity (i'm okay with having a Corvette C1,C2,C3... so on... what i'm not okay, is having the same generation just with a minor facelift, like how it happened with the E-ray and the 2023 that is coming.)

- and lastly, and this is an opnion of mine, for 500, which is almost half a whole month's salary here, they could've included the full game.

[Kira Von Black]

in a nutshell, and an advice of mine for T10/Playground:
Give us from the begining an option for purchasing a version of the game that includes everything you'll launch for the game (and i mean EVERYTHING). i don't care if it costs more than the ultimate costs today. if this option that included all DLCs, all car packs, everything, was available from the start, i guarantee that there would be zero problems whatsoever on that part. and much of the complaints would be dead.

[Nameless Avatar]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kira Von Black:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Nameless Avatar:

They are adding 8 free cars in the next update. Would you have preferred they stopped working on the game after the 2nd expansion, which delivered all they originally promised?

Yes, i would.
there, said it. better a made and done game than a game that just nickles and dimes everyone.

Why not just stop playing the game? Some of us like collecting new cars every week. Just because you are personally not interested anymore doesn't mean other people ought to be deprived of their interests.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kira Von Black:

...instead of going for what people are asking for millenia: more interesting cars that we never seen before (like i dunno, a car from Africa like the Laraki Epitome or Brazil like the Gurgel BR800 for example, instead of the millionth Corvette, or 4th version of the Porsche 356?!)...

Haha, no we can do without the Gurgel BR800, or the Yugo, or the Geo Metro. There were a lot of cheap junk cars made that don't need to be in the game. Your other example is also funny. Only one Laraki Epitome was ever made. I'd rather have real production cars.

Instead of your crappy examples, they are adding interesting cars like the Czinger 21C which has fancy looking 3d printed parts. The free Lucid Air Sapphire is also from a new manufacturer and it's being hyped up as the best performing EV sedan on the track. New cars are mostly EVs these days, so people will complain about that too.

[Kira Von Black]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Nameless Avatar:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kira Von Black:

Yes, i would.
there, said it. better a made and done game than a game that just nickles and dimes everyone.

Why not just stop playing the game? Some of us like collecting new cars every week. Just because you are personally not interested anymore doesn't mean other people ought to be deprived of their interests.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kira Von Black:

...instead of going for what people are asking for millenia: more interesting cars that we never seen before (like i dunno, a car from Africa like the Laraki Epitome or Brazil like the Gurgel BR800 for example, instead of the millionth Corvette, or 4th version of the Porsche 356?!)...

Haha, no we can do without the Gurgel BR800, or the Yugo, or the Geo Metro. There were are a lot of cheap junk cars made that don't need to be in the game. Your other example is also funny. Only one Laraki Epitome was ever made. I'd rather have real production cars.

Instead of your crappy examples, they are adding interesting cars like the Czinger 21C which has fancy looking 3d printed parts. The free Lucid Air Sapphire is also from a new manufacturer and it's being hyped up as the best performing EV sedan on the track. New cars are mostly EVs these days, so people will complain about that too.

i find it very funny you prefer another corvette than anything else that could use that slot (seriously, how many C8s do we need?! E-ray,2023,Stingray). you want High Performance Cars other than those small "crap" ones?! Okay then.
Hoffstetter Turbo, Alfa Romeo Carabo, Ferrari 512 S BS, Dome Zero, Jiotto Caspita, Mitsuoka Orochi, Ford GT90, Shelby Series 1, Marcos Mantaray, Venturi 400GT, Lister Storm, Maseratti Merak, De tomasso Mangusta, Tesla Roadster, Dallara DW12, Spark SRT05e... i could go on and on...

Lucid Air Sapphire has a production run as of this day of 0 production spec Cars (and the company was accused of being a fraud given how the Lucid Air still didn't hit the market for years), so, your point about the Laraki again?!

[Nameless Avatar]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kira Von Black:

i find it very funny you prefer another corvette than anything else that could use that slot (seriously, how many C8s do we need?! E-ray,2023,Stingray). you want High Performance Cars other than those small "crap" ones?! Okay then.
Hoffstetter Turbo, Alfa Romeo Carabo, Ferrari 512 S BS, Dome Zero, Jiotto Caspita, Mitsuoka Orochi, Ford GT90, Shelby Series 1, Marcos Mantaray, Venturi 400GT, Lister Storm, Maseratti Merak, De tomasso Mangusta, Tesla Roadster, Dallara DW12, Spark SRT05e... i could go on and on...

Lucid Air Sapphire has a production run as of this day of 0 production spec Cars (and the company was accused of being a fraud given how the Lucid Air still didn't hit the market for years), so, your point about the Laraki again?!

Those examples are better. I imagine that it may be impossible to license some of these obscure cars, or maybe the licence holder wants too much money, or maybe they are too rare and Playground can't get a hold of one in order to scan it or to do whatever their process involves.

As for Teslas, I believe those are not in the game because Tesla doesn't have a PR or advertising department for Playground to contact. There was a Tesla in FH3 but back then they had a PR department.

[Kira Von Black]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Nameless Avatar:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kira Von Black:

i find it very funny you prefer another corvette than anything else that could use that slot (seriously, how many C8s do we need?! E-ray,2023,Stingray). you want High Performance Cars other than those small "crap" ones?! Okay then.
Hoffstetter Turbo, Alfa Romeo Carabo, Ferrari 512 S BS, Dome Zero, Jiotto Caspita, Mitsuoka Orochi, Ford GT90, Shelby Series 1, Marcos Mantaray, Venturi 400GT, Lister Storm, Maseratti Merak, De tomasso Mangusta, Tesla Roadster, Dallara DW12, Spark SRT05e... i could go on and on...

Lucid Air Sapphire has a production run as of this day of 0 production spec Cars (and the company was accused of being a fraud given how the Lucid Air still didn't hit the market for years), so, your point about the Laraki again?!

Those examples are better. I imagine that it may be impossible to license some of these obscure cars, or maybe the licence holder wants too much money, or maybe they are too rare and Playground can't get a hold of one in order to scan it or to do whatever their process involves.

As for Teslas, I believe those are not in the game because Tesla doesn't have a PR or advertising department for Playground to contact. There was a Tesla in FH3 but back then they had a PR department.

dude, if they got their hands on that Ferrari 250 GTO or the 250 Testa Rossa, i guarantee they can get their hands on anything. Licensing i can understand, but heck, since when that was a problem for GT to license the Dome Zero again for example (and i guarantee they are still arround, since i heard about a lot of their projects)?!
Marcos PR still exists (GT licensed the Mini Marcos not too long ago), De Tomasso PR still exists (GT licensed the Mangusta not too long ago), Ford i guarantee they would lend the GT90 since they gave the much more obscure GT70, Shelby PR still exists (they got the cobra, King Monaco and the Daytona in the game already), Venturi has a PR and competes in Formula E... i think a lot of those can be on the game. maybe not the Hoffstetter without some serious talk from some Brazilians, but all the other cars have a good chance (but tbh, i think they would love to lend one of the survivng examples to put in the game, knowing them how i know)... yeah they could go for it in my view with little to no problem, provided they get the license for the brands.

[Ciaran Zagami]

Look man, I hate live service games too.

But you literally bought a live service game and your complaining that its a live service game.

Yes its scummy, yes I hate the fear of missing out on the new cars coming out. The idea of getting burnt out on a game and taking a break should not be punished by missing content that will never come out. Getting into a game late should not be punished by having less access to the content.


But you bought into the game and your complaining that its doing exactly what it was doing from the start? Like. The review section exists my guy, save this stuff for there and get it off the forums lol

[Espio]

Yoooooooo, who thought of the voucher microtransaction ♥♥♥♥. That's actually 💀, didn't realize Micro$oft was an indie company.