Suddenly banned?

[dodgecummins]

After I finished updating the game, I got on to play, and I went to buy a car and I get a ban message. Why's that?

[Brother Skolas]

Originalmente postado por dawwu.x:

can i be banned if i use cheat engine offline? "only" for money, not for level ups. just for a friend

nice necro bro

[TheSmilingDoom]

They are over the top strict in that regard. Here is what happened to me:
I used Cheat Engine on an old (single player/offline) strategy game that I like to come back to from time to time and mess around with. I forgot to close Cheat Engine after exiting the game and tried to launch Forza. Forza doesn't start (shuts right down after a couple of seconds) when CE is open. Fine by me, I detest cheating in multiplayer games and it is a good thing this doesn't work.
Shortly after I get a warning for cheating/modding game files. The same thing happened again a couple of weeks later (just slipped my mind it was still open), only this time I get a ban. A couple of days, nothing too bad, but:
What really boils my p*ss about this is that you can get judged and sentenced without even having the intention to cheat, let alone having modified a single thing in game. I couldn't even have selected Forza Horizon in CE even if I wanted to because, as I wrote, it simply shuts down.

I filed a complaint against the ban, stating that I never did anything to manipulate game data and that there is nothing that would even prove that I tried to, but all I got was a pregenerated BS-message that stated how they thoroughly examine every case and the ban was warrented.

So, that is how they run things - if you walk into a store and have a backpack on, you're automatically a thief, no further action needed from the culprit's side.

[JtDarth]

Originalmente postado por TheSmilingDoom:

They are over the top strict in that regard. Here is what happened to me:
I used Cheat Engine on an old (single player/offline) strategy game that I like to come back to from time to time and mess around with. I forgot to close Cheat Engine after exiting the game and tried to launch Forza. Forza doesn't start (shuts right down after a couple of seconds) when CE is open. Fine by me, I detest cheating in multiplayer games and it is a good thing this doesn't work.
Shortly after I get a warning for cheating/modding game files. The same thing happened again a couple of weeks later (just slipped my mind it was still open), only this time I get a ban. A couple of days, nothing too bad, but:
What really boils my p*ss about this is that you can get judged and sentenced without even having the intention to cheat, let alone having modified a single thing in game. I couldn't even have selected Forza Horizon in CE even if I wanted to because, as I wrote, it simply shuts down.

I filed a complaint against the ban, stating that I never did anything to manipulate game data and that there is nothing that would even prove that I tried to, but all I got was a pregenerated BS-message that stated how they thoroughly examine every case and the ban was warrented.

So, that is how they run things - if you walk into a store and have a backpack on, you're automatically a thief, no further action needed from the culprit's side.

If you have CE installed in the first place, you should be, by nature of habit, compulsively checking taskman to make sure it's closed before you open a game you aren't planning to use it in.

[TheSmilingDoom]

Originalmente postado por JtDarth:

If you have CE installed in the first place, you should be, by nature of habit, compulsively checking taskman to make sure it's closed before you open a game you aren't planning to use it in.

Apparently so, but it is still a jerk attitude. What I do and run on my PC is nobody's business as long as I'm the only person involved, and the game doesn't even start with the program open (as I already mentioned ). Issuing bans based on that is simply abuse of power and/or a flawed system.

[JtDarth]

Originalmente postado por TheSmilingDoom:

Originalmente postado por JtDarth:

If you have CE installed in the first place, you should be, by nature of habit, compulsively checking taskman to make sure it's closed before you open a game you aren't planning to use it in.

Apparently so, but it is still a jerk attitude. What I do and run on my PC is nobody's business as long as I'm the only person involved, and the game doesn't even start with the program open (as I already mentioned ). Issuing bans based on that is simply abuse of power and/or a flawed system.

Not that I agree with them in totality or anything, but I can understand where they are coming from:
From their point of view, that you had it active while launching the game implies you might have been TRYING to bypass the anti-cheat/anti-tamper. You yourself indicated you did in fact get a warning without a ban, initially. Then, you later got a temp ban after REPEATED violations that you had already been warned about.

That's not an abuse of power, dude. Nor is it a jerk attitude. A jerk attitude would have been to provide no warning, let the game launch, and then just perma-ban you if it ever happened again.

If you really want someone to blame, blame the cheaters who end up forcing devs to rely on such tactics just to keep the game experience stable for the non-cheaters.

[TheSmilingDoom]

Yeah, well, we don't agree on that. If our judicial systems were run like that, people would be thrown into prison for nothing, because that is what actually happened - nothing, not a single byte edited, nor was there even an attempt. You get warned/banned for modding/cheating - something that didn't happen. In fact, they do this to you based on an INTERPRETATION of what might have been an attempt (and was not) which would have been foiled anyway by the security measures in place. That is awfully thin to judge someone.

They are not "forced to rely on such tactics", it is a decision they make, and they accept the collateral that comes with it.

Anyway, I'm getting tired of this, I'll leave it at that.

[JtDarth]

Originalmente postado por TheSmilingDoom:

Yeah, well, we don't agree on that. If our judicial systems were run like that, people would be thrown into prison for nothing, because that is what actually happened - nothing, not a single byte edited, nor was there even an attempt. You get warned/banned for modding/cheating - something that didn't happen. In fact, they do this to you based on an INTERPRETATION of what might have been an attempt (and was not) which would have been foiled anyway by the security measures in place. That is awfully thin to judge someone.

They are not "forced to rely on such tactics", it is a decision they make, and they accept the collateral that comes with it.

Anyway, I'm getting tired of this, I'll leave it at that.

Are you serious? Talk about a lack of critical thinking skills.

You absolutely would go to jail for being caught messing with an arcade machine's coin tray/front panel with a set of lockpicks on you, unless you could prove you owned the machine. That is basically what you did here. You don't NEED to have done something to get arrested and taken to court, or even for charges to stick. It just needs to look like you were doing something, which repeatedly having cheat engine open while trying to play an online only game that has a significant in-game currency limitation absolutely does look like you are doing something. But wait, they didn't even punish you. They gave a WARNING, then after further violations, since you didn't get the damn memo, you got a slap on the wrist. Grow the hell up, dude.

Or how about, as another example the literal hundreds of places where you can actually get arrested just for forgetting to leave your pocket knife or CC in the car, just because someone notices and decides to have you arrested for trespassing or unlawful carry? Or the THOUSANDS of business that can, legally, eject you for not having appropriate attire, carrying an object they don't want in their building, or other such situation? Again, that is what happened here. You refused to follow the rules and were ejected from the premises.


You are being a total fool here. The simple fact of the matter is that you KNOW cheat engine is used for cheating, you KNOW most games will detect it, and you still had it open, KNOWING it is prohibited software in EVERY SINGLE ONLINE GAME WITH AN ANTI-CHEAT OF ANY SORT. I guarantee the game detects cheat engine by simply checking if there is an active memory scanner active. That does not in any way violate privacy or consist of unreasonable behavior that interferes with your usage of your computer. When you play an online game, you are inherently agreeing 'their house, their rules', yet here you are complaining about being ejected for taking contraband through the door!

The one with a jerk attitude here is absolutely you, Mr 'I refuse to do anything other than look at this from the perspective of they are in the wrong because I was inconvenienced by my own decisions'.

They ARE forced to rely on invasive tactics because cheaters will take the whole planet if you give them an inch, and in the process ruin the experience for every normal player they encounter, which is utterly unacceptable in a multiplayer focused game. While no anti-cheat can catch everything, they are far from out of line by implementing methods to catch and discourage the use of the most common and obvious cheat avenues.

EDIT:
"I'm getting tired of this" is just code for 'I have no intention of productive dialogue and refuse to accept that I'm in the wrong' in this instance. It's also silly you claim that after a grand total of two exchanges between us, simply because this isn't an echo chamber.

[ZombieHunter]

Do stupid things, win stupid prizes.

[naapsuland]

people you wanna say they ban people for no reason?

[hypster]

Originalmente postado por Karr-Man:

Originalmente postado por Mazda3Nate:

my friend got banned for using cheat software, he contacts ms about an appeal and they tell him corsair icue (rgb controller software that corsair hardware needs) is cheat software due to how it accesses his pc parts in ways forza uses (which is crap) and they not only denied his appeal but they doubled down by closing the ticket and barring him from using ms support.

Interesting, I use icue with no problems in Forza as Im sure thousands of others do as well. Maybe your friend is being less than truthful about their reason for being banned?

This. I use iCue, ArmouryCrate, GHub, etc because of all my peripherals. Coming up on 1500 hours no ban. Could only be a few things. Duping cars or money, livery report, or hex editing of any kind. Experience: I'm banned in both FH3 and 4 for cheating knowing darn well what I was doing and am now straight and narrow.

[edoardoremondini]

Originalmente postado por dawwu.x:

can i be banned if i use cheat engine offline? "only" for money, not for level ups. just for a friend

did you get banned? i want to use cheat engine in test drive unlimited a very old game but i'm afraid this will result in a ban in Forza Horizon 5...

[Long Niar™]

Originalmente postado por dodgecummins:

It said something about using cheat software

Fail.

[w_wooden]

I've been screen video recording every single game, and cheater, and reporting them both to Forza, and Steam, and I know a few have lost their entire steam library because of it. Not sure about how the Forza ban works. I don't know if it's true, but the one guy/kid was crying he lost 10k worth of games! LOL Too Funny!

[ele]

Originalmente postado por w_wooden:

I've been screen video recording every single game, and cheater, and reporting them both to Forza, and Steam, and I know a few have lost their entire steam library because of it. Not sure about how the Forza ban works. I don't know if it's true, but the one guy/kid was crying he lost 10k worth of games! LOL Too Funny!

Nice!