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★ Bartes ★ Dec 26, 2021 @ 11:31am
Eliminator is cancer.
all those notifications taking way too much of screen and racing someone is trash, other players will hit you and you bounce of like ball, :shit: vene doing once per season gave me a pain
Last edited by ★ Bartes ★; Dec 26, 2021 @ 11:32am
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T-Bone Biggins Dec 26, 2021 @ 11:54am 
Just do it for the seasonals, easy to hide until you are in 30th then let whatever happen. Sucks when you see guys unlock level 8 or 9 cars within the first minute and all I get are tons of level 2 escorts or that yellow level 4 hatchback after searching a dozen drop zones.
TyresTyco Dec 26, 2021 @ 12:08pm 
I enjoy it when I need a break from sweaty meta racing. Fun stuff can happen there.
VaeliusNoctu Jan 6, 2022 @ 4:40pm 
Originally posted by T-Bone Biggins:
Just do it for the seasonals, easy to hide until you are in 30th then let whatever happen. Sucks when you see guys unlock level 8 or 9 cars within the first minute and all I get are tons of level 2 escorts or that yellow level 4 hatchback after searching a dozen drop zones.

Same here i do it for the Seasonals and for some rewards that i can get only for e.g. switch 5 times my car in one match.

Eliminator is so bad Balanced that i cant find any words for it.

One time i start and 5 sec later i have a level 7 car that is not a crap asphalt car and i can kill all in sight.

Another time its the opposite i get killed bevore i even can found any other vehicle from a level 4-7 car.

But the Best is that it can happen that you get a downgrade car and you cant do anything about it.

Beating a Player Results in 2 Options:

1) I can choose the weaker car from that Player that i killed (Bad)
or
2) I MUST choose a Upgrade from my older car (good with RNG Luck) . It can happen that i get a Higher Level car that is a Asphalt cowboy and is even slower by far then my previous car.

The Complete Gamemode is a RNG mess. I realy dont understand how that can pass the quality control, if there was any.
BeatnutZ Jan 6, 2022 @ 5:01pm 
Mine still freezes for 5 sec when a race initiates
Knife Prty Jan 6, 2022 @ 5:13pm 
Don't press on gas when you or opponent initiates a race. Le the desync happen then go.

edit: to OP, have you tried being aggressive back? Try stop braking and throttle into them. Same works for any racing in this game. Be aggressive and it works against these crazy fools. I have never lost control if I continue to throttle when someone tries to derail me.

also to add pit if you can pit the it works well in this game. its broken almost, and I rarely see it, other then friends I have told about it and some streamers.
Last edited by Knife Prty; Jan 6, 2022 @ 5:26pm
n3mes1s Jan 6, 2022 @ 6:25pm 
Just avoid it? like any smart player? lol. I never EVER do anything related to the eliminator. I had a terrible experience in FH4 (that was already semi-broken) and since its a copy/paste in FH5, i dont even bother.

My advise, start avoiding things you dont like/are broken or you are gonna end having many headaches.
AUTI5T1X Jan 6, 2022 @ 8:26pm 
Originally posted by n3mes1s:
Just avoid it? like any smart player? lol. I never EVER do anything related to the eliminator. I had a terrible experience in FH4 (that was already semi-broken) and since its a copy/paste in FH5, i dont even bother.

My advise, start avoiding things you dont like/are broken or you are gonna end having many headaches.
Apply this mindset to anything PvP related and those headaches go away almost completely. I mean this with all due sincerity. PvP isn't healthy. It's a toxic cesspit that does a serious number on one's sanity and mental health. I dropped anything PvP oriented and haven't looked back since.
VaeliusNoctu Jan 6, 2022 @ 9:15pm 
Originally posted by AUTI5T1X:
Originally posted by n3mes1s:
Just avoid it? like any smart player? lol. I never EVER do anything related to the eliminator. I had a terrible experience in FH4 (that was already semi-broken) and since its a copy/paste in FH5, i dont even bother.

My advise, start avoiding things you dont like/are broken or you are gonna end having many headaches.
Apply this mindset to anything PvP related and those headaches go away almost completely. I mean this with all due sincerity. PvP isn't healthy. It's a toxic cesspit that does a serious number on one's sanity and mental health. I dropped anything PvP oriented and haven't looked back since.

I always have fun with online drift. It's still pretty serious.

The game has a ghost detector in all Open Online (drift, race). It recognizes when a player accidentally or deliberately tries to ram you and it then becomes a ghost.

But the playground and eliminator is awful that's right. The eliminator is simply pure unbalance and the playground is only fun when balanced teams play without leavers. The probability of this is easy to imagine.

I only hate one thing about Horizon Open (drift, race) namely the class restrictions (C, B, A, S1, S2) that sucks. There are OP cars in each of these classes, so I don't understand the class restriction. It is unnecessary.

Perhaps the only reason would be that cars that cannot reach S2 or X would probably have a disadvantage. However, the developers could simply set S1 or S2 as the maximum for the multiplayer. So that every car can at least reach the upgrade level.

But that I "have" to drive with a C, B or A class car is annoying. Especially since you then need your favorite car several times. Once for each class.
Eternal Wanderer Jan 6, 2022 @ 11:44pm 
I am fine with doing it once a season (ideally not at all) and surviving until 30 players. Its inclusion in daily forzathon challenges seriously bothers me though.

There was a daily challenge asking you to eliminate 5 people last season. I had to skip that and I hate to skip a seasonal event/challenge. Then again I am not keen enough on Eliminator to invest so much time in it either.
VaeliusNoctu Jan 7, 2022 @ 5:43am 
Yes, that was allways a Problem in Forza Games. The Seasonal Events are more a: Im Happy that im done with them. Sometimes a Seasonal Events is cool but thats rare.

And this Player created challenges are so sooooo bad most, not allways. I remember the challenge last week where i have to found 5 crates to Upgrade my car, so i can do the Jump.

The challenge this week is not good too. A confusing level. Most of this Challenge levels remember me on one of the worst Player Created levels from Trackmania. A realy cool Game and the first Part is still a Gem.
Merc249 Jan 7, 2022 @ 6:32am 
Originally posted by ★ Bartes ★:
all those notifications taking way too much of screen and racing someone is trash, other players will hit you and you bounce of like ball, :♥♥♥♥: vene doing once per season gave me a pain
The notifications are fine. The event feed (if/when it decides to show up) is small, and the Head-to-head notification only lasts for a couple seconds. Not a big deal

Originally posted by VaeliusNoctu:
1) I can choose the weaker car from that Player that i killed (Bad)
or
2) I MUST choose a Upgrade from my older car (good with RNG Luck) . It can happen that i get a Higher Level car that is a Asphalt cowboy and is even slower by far then my previous car.
This is just wrong. When winning a head-to-head, The "Down" selection cancels out so you can keep your current car. Please make sure you know the mechanic before complaining.

Originally posted by VaeliusNoctu:
One time i start and 5 sec later i have a level 7 car that is not a crap asphalt car and i can kill all in sight.

Another time its the opposite i get killed bevore i even can found any other vehicle from a level 4-7 car.
All this means is that you haven't learned where the better car drops are yet. You're probably just starting in random spots. First thing to know is that car drop locations pull from a set list of locations. Second, some car drops have odds of better cars than others. Third, New car drops show up after each time the arena shrinks... and the quality of cars on average increases after each arena shrink.

Originally posted by T-Bone Biggins:
Just do it for the seasonals, easy to hide until you are in 30th then let whatever happen. Sucks when you see guys unlock level 8 or 9 cars within the first minute and all I get are tons of level 2 escorts or that yellow level 4 hatchback after searching a dozen drop zones.
See above. Learn better spots to start from.

Overall, Eliminator does need some adjustments, particularly with some of the vehicles. The game does *not* need to change the spread of asphalt vs. offroad oriented cars. They each can be advantageous depending on how the round goes. However, some cars are much worse than other cars of the same level (Level 4 Mini, Level 8 Camaro, Level 9 Jeep SUV, etc.). I've won with cars as low as Level 5, and almost won in a Level 4 a couple times.

If you don't spend any time learning the mode, then don't be surprised when it bites you in the ass. Any battle royale has some degree of luck, there's no getting around that. There is a lot of room for strategy and skill. For reference, I've played... 49 games of Eliminator. Reached Final in 34 of them, and won 15.
Last edited by Merc249; Jan 7, 2022 @ 6:34am
Merc249 Jan 7, 2022 @ 6:37am 
Originally posted by TyresTyco:
I enjoy it when I need a break from sweaty meta racing. Fun stuff can happen there.
Nothing beats the feeling of taking a Level 4 or 5 and beating a bunch of 9's and 10's in the Final. Or when some level 8 or 9 gets cocky and ends up hitting a couple trees and losing to me in a head-to-head, lol.
VaeliusNoctu Jan 7, 2022 @ 8:33am 
Originally posted by Merc249:
This is just wrong. When winning a head-to-head, The "Down" selection cancels out so you can keep your current car. Please make sure you know the mechanic before complaining.

Good to know thx.

Originally posted by VaeliusNoctu:
One time i start and 5 sec later i have a level 7 car that is not a crap asphalt car and i can kill all in sight.
Originally posted by Merc249:
All this means is that you haven't learned where the better car drops are yet. You're probably just starting in random spots. First thing to know is that car drop locations pull from a set list of locations. Second, some car drops have odds of better cars than others. Third, New car drops show up after each time the arena shrinks... and the quality of cars on average increases after each arena shrink.

Unfortunately it is false. It is often true, but not always. In the beginning I always started in Mulege it was a 100% guarantee for a while that a car would drop there. BUT it's still 100% RNG. You can get anything from level 1-7 which is just stupid. My scenario is still right, only that it looks like level 2 versus level 7, just because of RNG luck.

As far as Mulege is concerned, almost no car drops now. At least not in the place where the cars appeared earlier. Now I always start at the ruins near the pyramid. But even then it is luck who reaches the car first and it can be anything from level 1-7 again.

So even if you know the places, it's still the same RNG crap that makes this game mode the worst mode ever.


Originally posted by Merc249:
Overall, Eliminator does need some adjustments, particularly with some of the vehicles. The game does *not* need to change the spread of asphalt vs. offroad oriented cars. They each can be advantageous depending on how the round goes. However, some cars are much worse than other cars of the same level (Level 4 Mini, Level 8 Camaro, Level 9 Jeep SUV, etc.). I've won with cars as low as Level 5, and almost won in a Level 4 a couple times.

If you don't spend any time learning the mode, then don't be surprised when it bites you in the ass. Any battle royale has some degree of luck, there's no getting around that. There is a lot of room for strategy and skill. For reference, I've played... 49 games of Eliminator. Reached Final in 34 of them, and won 15.

And wrong again. I've played the game mode often enough and learned to deal with its mistakes and I've even won. As far as I know twice.

But the game mode is RNG Pure and you can only learn to use it. If you like that, that's fine. But this game mode could be so much better with some work on it.

Asphalt vehicles should be completely removed. The dropping cars should be no more than one level higher than the current car. It's just either unfair or boring jumping from level two to seven. It takes away the real purpose of the whole mode of running head to head, since it is easier and less risky to simply search for droppoints and hope for RNG luck and then defeat a helpless player with a far superior car * yawn *

The developers may also have to change the classification of some cars. As already indicated, some level 4 cars are better than some level 7. But this could also be done with removing the asphalt cars.

This game mode has very little to do with skill. Not nothing, but unfortunately very little. Estimated 80-90% luck.
Last edited by VaeliusNoctu; Jan 7, 2022 @ 8:34am
axelrol Jan 7, 2022 @ 8:50am 
Let me say also about this mode. As a person who already done all accolades for Eliminator and who won about 30-40 rounds (yes, there are many more high-skilled players but anyway). First - you have to know where cars are spawned. And its always random cars but spawn places always the same. Second - even if your opponent is higher than you and you see what you may lose the race - never quit the game before the finish. You never know what may happen. I was able to beat lvl 7 or 8 cars with Beetle. Next - avoid trees, water, jungle. If you know the map you know better ways to finish. And remember - destination point will always be to the center of the circle so make sure you set your car in right direction before other player honks you (even better if he drive towards you). And, as someone said already, dont hit the gas when lag is happening.
Last edited by axelrol; Jan 7, 2022 @ 8:50am
Merc249 Jan 7, 2022 @ 8:51am 
Originally posted by VaeliusNoctu:
Unfortunately it is false. It is often true, but not always. In the beginning I always started in Mulege it was a 100% guarantee for a while that a car would drop there. BUT it's still 100% RNG. You can get anything from level 1-7 which is just stupid. My scenario is still right, only that it looks like level 2 versus level 7, just because of RNG luck.
Yes, I already said that there is RNG involved. That being said, you can learn better spots to start from, and then it's on you as the player to adjust if the car drops don't spawn. That's player skill, not a downside of the mode.

Another thing to keep in mind is that car drops are pretty sparse at the start of the game (before the first shrink). However, park your car on one of the hills north of Mulege and watch the city just as the arena finishes shrinking. 3-5 car drops if not more are probably going to spawn. Mulege also doesn't generally get good cars (Level 5+) until after a few arena shrinks.

Originally posted by VaeliusNoctu:
Asphalt vehicles should be completely removed. The dropping cars should be no more than one level higher than the current car. It's just either unfair or boring jumping from level two to seven. It takes away the real purpose of the whole mode of running head to head, since it is easier and less risky to simply search for droppoints and hope for RNG luck and then defeat a helpless player with a far superior car * yawn *
Completely disagreed. I've won plenty of times in Asphalt cars, particularly on final races where the finish line is on the other side of the map. For example, I've won in both the Level 7 Ferrari, the Level 8 Nissan, and the Level 10 Lambo. The fastest way to the finish isn't always the shortest. Again, that's on you as the player to learn the map.

It's fine if you don't like the mode. But your complaints are largely due to you not learning how the mode works and how to use it to your advantage, not inherent faults in the game. It's just not your style of game, and that's fine. I've quite enjoyed it, hence why I've played almost 50 matches and have won 30% of them, making the final in 70% of them.

Limiting car drops to one level above is silly, and removes their purpose when head-to-heads achieve the same thing if one wins.

I would not have won 15/49 matches, some of those in Level 5's, if it was 80-90% luck. I'd consider it 50/50 at most. You're just refusing to learn the mode because it isn't your particular cup of tea. That's fine, but it's not the developers' problem.
Last edited by Merc249; Jan 7, 2022 @ 8:55am
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Date Posted: Dec 26, 2021 @ 11:31am
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