16GB of RAM is enough for a gaming PC!

[Kloud]

Uh no. These new big budget 2021 games actually require a bit over that now. I need at least 17GB of RAM or over to be able to run this thing on extreme. It showed me that it was taking 16.9GB/16GB. Ever since I put this on preset "ultra", it breaks my heart with how low quality the far distance scenery looks with noticable pop in now. And the only way to get rid of that is putting it on preset "extreme", but I'm like 900mb over what my 16GB RAM can only hold. I'm gonna just get my RAM upgraded on Christmas.

Nothing wrong with my GPU or CPU power. I bought a prebuilt PC that had a hell beast of a GPU and CPU for its price, it's just my RAM bottlenecking it now.

edit: Just some things to mention for clarification. The game runs its best (80-110fps on 1440p on extreme settings) at the first 2 hours until I get a message in the game where it says my memory is at 16.9/16GB. So if I start playing longer, gradually the fps takes quite a dip to its 50-60s. So what happens is that I have to reset my game for things to run well again, so its a bit annoying to do. It's definitely a memory leak issue.

No, my prebuilt PC ain't no potato. The GPU is an AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT and the CPU is an AMD Ryzen 5 5600X. They're both pretty sexy. But the crap thing about prebuilt PCs at a "fair" price is that it usually comes with a limited amount of RAM which is 16GB, the usual standard and the SSDs are usually 500GB. Both of which I will be eventually upgrading. Thank god I spend most my time playing FFXIV and other games on console. (Refuse to buy an Xbox so I'm playing Forza Horizon 5 on PC).

[Venox]

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Might want to learn how to actually post benchmarks accurately. Post benchmarks for 2 dual rank dimms vs 4 single rank dimms.
This benchmark just shows the difference between single rank and dual rank dimms. It's literally explained in the description.

"So when using two single ranked modules for dual-channel operation, the memory is configured as a single rank. However, when using four single rank modules for dual-channel operation, the memory is now configured as a dual rank."

Now, do yourself and I a favor and don't come up with something totally different as you've done multiple times.

That's an article explaining why 4 DIMMs in Ryzen 5 has a performance boost over 2 DIMMs.

Dual rank is rare and quad rank is for servers. This article explains that, most consumer RAM is single rank, and in that case, 4 DIMMs boosts performance on Ryzen 5 platforms.

So your point is irrelevant, unless you are intentionally looking for dual rank DIMMs.

Do you have something better to do than just argue about everything?

Yes, I have but when people post wrong info I engage, what about you?
Like I said, your point is still wrong as 4 dimms aren't making a noticeable change in performance when using 2 dual rank dimms. My point still stands and the general claim that 4 dimms are worth it is simply wrong. Also, dual rank is not rare at all if you are looking at capacities for like 32gb ram which you guys are kinda preaching anyways, so that's a big no as well. 2x 16 dimms packs are pretty much dual rank all the time.
Posting that benchmark based on the comment I made is absolutely a waste of time and you know that, hopefully. That's for you calling yourself a tech lmao. If you didn't post wrong info, there would be no reason to argue about it.

[Bad_Conduct]

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That's an article explaining why 4 DIMMs in Ryzen 5 has a performance boost over 2 DIMMs.

Dual rank is rare and quad rank is for servers. This article explains that, most consumer RAM is single rank, and in that case, 4 DIMMs boosts performance on Ryzen 5 platforms.

So your point is irrelevant, unless you are intentionally looking for dual rank DIMMs.

Do you have something better to do than just argue about everything?

Yes, I have but when people post wrong info I engage, what about you?
Like I said, your point is still wrong as 4 dimms aren't making a noticeable change in performance when using 2 dual rank dimms. My point still stands and the general claim that 4 dimms are worth it is simply wrong. Also, dual rank is not rare at all if you are looking at capacities for like 32gb ram which you guys are kinda preaching anyways, so that's a big no as well. 2x 16 dimms packs are pretty much dual rank all the time.
Posting that benchmark based on the comment I made is absolutely a waste of time and you know that, hopefully. That's for you calling yourself a tech lmao. If you didn't post wrong info, there would be no reason to argue about it.

Not all 16GB sticks are dual-rank. It's also hard to tell if they are.
Will be more common if you want 2x 32GB DIMMs, sure.
But most DDR4 is still single rank, and using 4x8GB would give a slight performance boost over single-rank 16GB sticks.

So yes, for most people, putting in 4 DIMMs will boost performance, slightly.

[Bad_Conduct]

4x8GB seems to give a slight edge over 2x16GB as well
https://youtu.be/0oL-SedTy8Y

Although it's not guaranteed to be dual rank just because it's 16GB.
4x16GB takes a hit, but it's a slower kit. The board might be limited in speed on higher memory configurations.

[D-Fens]

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Hardly anyone has over 16GB RAM in a gaming PC.

A lot of people have 16 GB RAM in a gaming PC. I have a laptop, not even that expensive, I'm a casual gamer and I have 32.

16-24 of that is never being used then.

[D-Fens]

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16GB huh, sure it's enough; On low or medium. Maybe high with some minor issues. Certainly not Ultra or Extreme.

Even with 32GB of Ram and 6.1 GB of Vram, I can't run this game on Extreme; well I Can run it with no issues, however my Vram gets maxed out as a result and then some, and I'm not taking a chance of frying anything on my Laptop.

The number of people like this who have no idea how games work is incredible. It wouldn't matter if you had 320GB of RAM, the game wouldn't run ANY better than if you had 16.

[Bad_Conduct]

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16GB huh, sure it's enough; On low or medium. Maybe high with some minor issues. Certainly not Ultra or Extreme.

Even with 32GB of Ram and 6.1 GB of Vram, I can't run this game on Extreme; well I Can run it with no issues, however my Vram gets maxed out as a result and then some, and I'm not taking a chance of frying anything on my Laptop.

The number of people like this who have no idea how games work is incredible. It wouldn't matter if you had 320GB of RAM, the game wouldn't run ANY better than if you had 16.

Maybe not, but the rest of your PC would. I have 64, I'm not doing much of anything and 12GB are already in use. Windows likes to use memory when it has it.

[Venox]

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Yes, I have but when people post wrong info I engage, what about you?
Like I said, your point is still wrong as 4 dimms aren't making a noticeable change in performance when using 2 dual rank dimms. My point still stands and the general claim that 4 dimms are worth it is simply wrong. Also, dual rank is not rare at all if you are looking at capacities for like 32gb ram which you guys are kinda preaching anyways, so that's a big no as well. 2x 16 dimms packs are pretty much dual rank all the time.
Posting that benchmark based on the comment I made is absolutely a waste of time and you know that, hopefully. That's for you calling yourself a tech lmao. If you didn't post wrong info, there would be no reason to argue about it.

Not all 16GB sticks are dual-rank. It's also hard to tell if they are.
Will be more common if you want 2x 32GB DIMMs, sure.
But most DDR4 is still single rank, and using 4x8GB would give a slight performance boost over single-rank 16GB sticks.

So yes, for most people, putting in 4 DIMMs will boost performance, slightly.

Not all ofc but the far majority of sticks. You mentioned a key fact. Windows likes to use memory when it has it which in fact doesn't mean it's needed. You can easily drive 16gb and still do some stuff while playing a modern day. There's no need for it which doesn't mean you shouldn't buy more, that's up to you. I wouldn't blame anyone for getting 32gb or even 64gb but justifying by saying "I need it" is simply a stupid comment to make if we are talkingg gaming and not any productive work.

[Nyah]

I'd be curious to know you guys ram utilisation at windows startup.
Mine is 2.2gb when it has finished doing his things (2-3minutes).
16gb is more than enough for gaming today, except for some heavy simulations.

[DaVinki]

İlk olarak Nyah tarafından gönderildi:

I'd be curious to know you guys ram utilisation at windows startup.
Mine is 2.2gb when it has finished doing his things (2-3minutes).
16gb is more than enough for gaming today, except for some heavy simulations.

dang bro whats got you using that much ram on startup

[Bad_Conduct]

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Not all 16GB sticks are dual-rank. It's also hard to tell if they are.
Will be more common if you want 2x 32GB DIMMs, sure.
But most DDR4 is still single rank, and using 4x8GB would give a slight performance boost over single-rank 16GB sticks.

So yes, for most people, putting in 4 DIMMs will boost performance, slightly.

Not all ofc but the far majority of sticks. You mentioned a key fact. Windows likes to use memory when it has it which in fact doesn't mean it's needed. You can easily drive 16gb and still do some stuff while playing a modern day. There's no need for it which doesn't mean you shouldn't buy more, that's up to you. I wouldn't blame anyone for getting 32gb or even 64gb but justifying by saying "I need it" is simply a stupid comment to make if we are talkingg gaming and not any productive work.

I said:

The performance gains from having 4 DIMM's in Ryzen 5 more than justify having 32GB at this point, at least IMHO. With most games coming out in 64bit now, 16GB won't be enough soon.

I wouldn't upgrade from 16GB on an older system, but if I built a new system, I wouldn't use less than 32GB. And I think in the near future, 32GB will be fairly standard for a gaming system.
My Firefox is sitting at almost 3.0GB of memory, which is huge. Chrome is at 1.5GB, and I'm not really doing very much.

It's not just gaming, it's the difference between closing all your application before launching a game, and just launching any game. With overhead and a proper dual channel setup, 32GB is the sweet spot right now.

[Nyah]

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İlk olarak Nyah tarafından gönderildi:

I'd be curious to know you guys ram utilisation at windows startup.
Mine is 2.2gb when it has finished doing his things (2-3minutes).
16gb is more than enough for gaming today, except for some heavy simulations.

dang bro whats got you using that much ram on startup

windows 10 :)
i know i can tweak it but its ok, anyway my point is that 16gb is ok for gaming.
if you use pro video, music etc softwares (or some heavy simulations), sure 32gb is good!

[OP3NGL]

with all the talks about 16 & 32gb...... did any of you enable XMP? esp the ones who bought prebuilts...