AI difficulty seems like the worst its ever been in Forza...

[jestifizzle]

I know the previous games have had dodgy AI balancing like some races actually being unbeatable in horizon 4 while on unbeatable difficulty, but so far with my experience with horizon 5 it seems most races are impossible to win even on pro or expert difficulty. I use used to grind top 100 times on leaderboards and got a top 50 once so I know I'm not bad at the game or driving games in general. Even on pro difficulty, it seems the AI has acceleration that isn't possible for the class you race in. It would be acceptable if there was a trade off for the top speed but there isn't. They keep their top speed high but have added acceleration making it impossible to compete on tracks with long stretches of road. I get it that its supposed to be difficult on higher difficulties, but it needs to be within reason. Like I do high difficulties to test my skills, but the AI balancing mechanic takes all skill out of it. You're bound to not win either way no matter your tune. To prove my point, the Porsche Taycan is one of the only cars you can get consistent wins against AI with because it is an EV with insane base acceleration (provided there isn't an AI Taycan). So it seems the AI balancing mechanic boosts the AI base acceleration no matter what the class of vehicle is or if you are at the upper limit of a class.

[TX]

Same issue here, I can't keep the pace with AI no matter what class/car I'm in, even with the shortest gears ratios I can't overtake AI on straights, only in curbs

[TheHuskyGT]

I mean, we were all complaining how Unbeatable in FH4 was too easy in like 70% of races, so now we got what we wanted.

I haven't explored the A.I that much, but it seems to be slightly better than in FH4. I have managed to win in one track on Pro (one before Unbeatable), but the rest, as you say, even in Expert I have trouble. Heck, even Highly Skilled often feels like Unbeatable from FH4.

I think it might have to do with the fact these difficulties are different now, since they have added a few more below beginner, if you haven't noticed. I think "casual" and/or "tourist."

But yeah, too soon to say. I will put more hours into the game, test different cars, tracks etc. So far the one thing I really like about the A.I is that they not only try not to contact you, but even when they do, they don't feel like bricks.

[TyresTyco]

Mhm.. I constantly win on expert. Same as with fh4. Maybe it depends on the race or something I dunno. Imho so far.. the difficulty is the same than in fh4.

[Brynjarson]

ai is strange. i win apex races on expert with 2 secs ahead. offroad with 2 levels of difficulty down they win ahead with 7 secs. also when starting a race i drive a 4x4 1000 hp baja truck with start stats 10. and the ai shoots past me like rockets......

[Necrotic]

TRUE

[FunnyCunny]

Have you tried maxing the vehicles out to the specific race limit? For instance if it is A class, buy a car and do the tires, suspension, weight reduction, gearbox and small engine mods so you are at the limit of A class. Sounds like you know what your doing sorry if it sounds condescending. I'm not the best driver and play expert with everything turned off and don't have any issues.

[smoke63b]

Once you get the right cars and tunes for the track type, they're beatable, consistently at Expert level. I haven't tried above that. They are VERY hard though compared to Horizon 4.

We're playing all assists off.

[jestifizzle]

引用自 Brynjar Odinson：

ai is strange. i win apex races on expert with 2 secs ahead. offroad with 2 levels of difficulty down they win ahead with 7 secs. also when starting a race i drive a 4x4 1000 hp baja truck with start stats 10. and the ai shoots past me like rockets......

Yea this is what I'm experiencing. I think it might just be a balancing issue with the offroad cars. Road races are doable (if the track has a lot of corners), but offroad/cross country races seem overly hard on the same difficulties. Also, the rally races are a lot easier compared to the cross country races which doesn't make much sense.

[OzzTheBozz]

Noticed the exact same thing. AI is really horrible in H5

[JackieTheDemon]

They are literally broken in this game.

[KiP]

It seems the car you pick has a massive impact on AI difficulty. Its very unpredictable and some races are unwinnable.

[JackieTheDemon]

引用自 jestifizzle：

引用自 Brynjar Odinson：

ai is strange. i win apex races on expert with 2 secs ahead. offroad with 2 levels of difficulty down they win ahead with 7 secs. also when starting a race i drive a 4x4 1000 hp baja truck with start stats 10. and the ai shoots past me like rockets......

Yea this is what I'm experiencing. I think it might just be a balancing issue with the offroad cars. Road races are doable (if the track has a lot of corners), but offroad/cross country races seem overly hard on the same difficulties. Also, the rally races are a lot easier compared to the cross country races which doesn't make much sense.

You would think differently if you tried Goliath on Unbeatable.

You can catch them on straights, but will literally corner at 3 times the speed.

[Zenhavoc]

引用自 TX：

Same issue here, I can't keep the pace with AI no matter what class/car I'm in, even with the shortest gears ratios I can't overtake AI on straights, only in curbs

Well there's your problem. Short ratios on every gear do increase acceleration but reduce top speed in turn.

[Lord Headbeep]

One of the problems I've noticed is that the AI car in front is almost always the only real competitor you have, on top of AI in general ignoring stats and physics. Even the biggest of cars/trucks seem to just glide around corners without EVER losing traction, sometimes AI further back will randomly close a huge gap like they got a Mario Kart mushroom, difficulty seems to randomly change depending on your specific car, etc.

There's "difficult", then there's just "unfair. Cheap buIIshit like this is an example of the latter...

[loppantorkel]

引用自 Zenhavoc：

引用自 TX：

Same issue here, I can't keep the pace with AI no matter what class/car I'm in, even with the shortest gears ratios I can't overtake AI on straights, only in curbs

Well there's your problem. Short ratios on every gear do increase acceleration but reduce top speed in turn.

IT took two years of research but he finally got an answer. Well done, sir!