lol "simulation"

[Ponlets]

if forza is anything its not a simulation racer game

Dirt rally 2 has more realism ... FH5 is more of an arcade racer or at best sim-cade racer

when they add a decent damage model to the cars so they deform with more than hardly a wrinkle then sure i might accept "simulation" but i doubt it very much

its more of an RPG simcade racer

EDIT:
Below is a link to a video showing what real simracing is and after watching it i hope you understand that Forza Horizon 5 (and its previous iterations) are NOT simulators
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st8WyRDgjJs&ab_channel=ErminHamidovic

EDITv2

to stop idiocy i will make this point:

simulation and arcade are like black and white with simcade being grey

its not simulation ... its not arcade ... its in the middle and is its own thing separate from the others just like how black and white and grey are all separate from eachother and are different colors

[LordOfTheBread]

Middy a écrit :

This entire discussion is the epitome of nobody cares.

It was fun while it lasted tho, simcade reeeeee!

[Ponlets]

Yann a écrit :

Dude, it's a simulation, It might not be a realistic one, but it is a simulation.

wrong .. this is a simcade racer you should play real simulator driving games (dirt rally 2.0 ... project cars BeamNG)

[TheHuskyGT]

Middy a écrit :

This entire discussion is the epitome of nobody cares.

Yes, and I love that. Also how long this pointless of a thread has gone XD

[Yann]

Ponlets a écrit :

Yann a écrit :

Dude, it's a simulation, It might not be a realistic one, but it is a simulation.

wrong .. this is a simcade racer you should play real simulator driving games (dirt rally 2.0 ... project cars BeamNG)

A simcade, IS a simulation, an unrealistic one (arcadey) hense the name:
SIMULATION ARCADE => SIM CADE
Open a dictionnary, it doesn't say:

Simulation: It's like Dirt Rally 2.0, PCar, or BeamNG.

I played most of the games you mentioned, check my profile. I am more of an Assetto Corsa guy. The main difference is the more realistic physic, which in turn makes a more realistic simulation.

[Ponlets]

Yann a écrit :

Ponlets a écrit :

wrong .. this is a simcade racer you should play real simulator driving games (dirt rally 2.0 ... project cars BeamNG)

A simcade, IS a simulation, an unrealistic one (arcadey) hense the name:
SIMULATION ARCADE => SIM CADE
Open a dictionnary, it doesn't say:

Simulation: It's like Dirt Rally 2.0, PCar, or BeamNG.

I played most of the games you mentioned, check my profile. I am more of an Assetto Corsa guy. The main difference is the more realistic physic, which in turn makes a more realistic simulation.

wrong ... simcade is the grey between simulation and arcade

white and black are not the same and so we call the color between "grey" that is what simcade is and that is what forza h 5 is

the whole point between simulation and arcade is the physics and the damage model

forza H5 does not have any reasonable level of physics with the cars ... rotation is dampened heavily and penalties for crashing (in terms of damage to the car) are superficial

if you still think FH5 is a simulator racer even after having claimed to play Dirt rally 2 or BeamNG makes you either very ignorant or dishonest

simulator racers have better driving physics and simulate many aspects of driving

and FH5 does not really have these

FH5 lacks a damage model to any reasonable level (its not even on the same page as Dirt rally 2 which uses licensed cars)

FH5 lacks even the notion of tire deformation when it comes to grip or slip

FH5 lacks tire pressure simulation

the list literally goes on for everything the game lacks and its obvious to any honest logically sound individual that FH5 is NOT a simulator but is infact simcade ... telling yourself its a simulator is just delusional

[Ponlets]

also you have the basic concept of where the word comes from

you either ignore or dont understand that simcade defines a game that rests in the middle area when it comes to racers

FH5 is not quite an arcade racer and its also not a simulator

its in the middle just like how grey is in the middle ... how is that so hard to understand

[coth]

Yann a écrit :

Ponlets a écrit :

wrong .. this is a simcade racer you should play real simulator driving games (dirt rally 2.0 ... project cars BeamNG)

A simcade, IS a simulation, an unrealistic one (arcadey) hense the name:
SIMULATION ARCADE => SIM CADE
Open a dictionnary, it doesn't say:

Simulation: It's like Dirt Rally 2.0, PCar, or BeamNG.

I played most of the games you mentioned, check my profile. I am more of an Assetto Corsa guy. The main difference is the more realistic physic, which in turn makes a more realistic simulation.

There isn't such a genre.
And simulators are rFactor, iRacing, Assetto Corsa (netKar Pro), in some state RaceRoom and Automobilista. If anything putting into middle zone, of what you listed, it's Dirt Rally and BeamNG.

[Yann]

Ponlets a écrit :

Yann a écrit :

A simcade, IS a simulation, an unrealistic one (arcadey) hense the name:
SIMULATION ARCADE => SIM CADE
Open a dictionnary, it doesn't say:

Simulation: It's like Dirt Rally 2.0, PCar, or BeamNG.

I played most of the games you mentioned, check my profile. I am more of an Assetto Corsa guy. The main difference is the more realistic physic, which in turn makes a more realistic simulation.

wrong ... simcade is the grey between simulation and arcade

white and black are not the same and so we call the color between "grey" that is what simcade is and that is what forza h 5 is

the whole point between simulation and arcade is the physics and the damage model

forza H5 does not have any reasonable level of physics with the cars ... rotation is dampened heavily and penalties for crashing (in terms of damage to the car) are superficial

if you still think FH5 is a simulator racer even after having claimed to play Dirt rally 2 or BeamNG makes you either very ignorant or dishonest

simulator racers have better driving physics and simulate many aspects of driving

and FH5 does not really have these

FH5 lacks a damage model to any reasonable level (its not even on the same page as Dirt rally 2 which uses licensed cars)

FH5 lacks even the notion of tire deformation when it comes to grip or slip

FH5 lacks tire pressure simulation

the list literally goes on for everything the game lacks and its obvious to any honest logically sound individual that FH5 is NOT a simulator but is infact simcade ... telling yourself its a simulator is just delusional

If you want to go with the color metaphore, you don't get the color gray, without having a bit of black (sim) and a bit of white (arcade).

"simulator racers have better driving physics" -> Wrong that is not part of the definition.
"simulate many aspects of driving" -> Absolutely, that is part of the definition, which is why FH5 is a simulator.

I mean, you're free to come up with your own definition of the word "simulator", but since it's wrong, the "simulator" tag will stay on FH5, even if it hurts your feelings ;-)

[Moogle]

my only question is, who asked?

[Trapgat]

There are people playing FH5 mostly with controllers and sometimes even mouse/ keyboard.

Trust me: a true sim racing game cannot be played with MKB.

FH5 will be very arcade, with some fun components to finetune (TC/ ABS/ etc) to make it a bit harder. It is as close to a sim racing game like HALO is close to a realistic world war 2 shooter.

[Patches]

It's funny how people are saying Dirt Rally 2.0 is a Simulation. The game has it good moments and I've got a few hours involved. In 2.0 you can't even feel the ground, it's a hoover craft with wheels.

I'm playing WRC 10 over DR 2.0 at the moment for my Rally Racing. WRC Games has really stepped up the physics model in 10.

I've been wanting to try a Forza game even though it's not a sim. I like the way it looks with the cars sliding around. If it has a good feel in the Wheel, it could be fun. I think this is the one I'll try.

Should be a lot of Rally type races seeing it's in Mexico with a lot of dirt or narrow roads.

I was hoping for Nascar 2021, but looks like it's going to be a flop or at least a very buggy game. And it's already out dated when it come out. These cars are done in a few weeks and the new Next gen Car begins. With complete different Physics and crash model.

g

[Ponlets]

coth a écrit :

Yann a écrit :

A simcade, IS a simulation, an unrealistic one (arcadey) hense the name:
SIMULATION ARCADE => SIM CADE
Open a dictionnary, it doesn't say:

Simulation: It's like Dirt Rally 2.0, PCar, or BeamNG.

I played most of the games you mentioned, check my profile. I am more of an Assetto Corsa guy. The main difference is the more realistic physic, which in turn makes a more realistic simulation.

There isn't such a genre.
And simulators are rFactor, iRacing, Assetto Corsa (netKar Pro), in some state RaceRoom and Automobilista. If anything putting into middle zone, of what you listed, it's Dirt Rally and BeamNG.

wrong ... dirt rally and beamng are simulator racers and beamng is probably the most accurate sim out other sorry but you are as backwards as they come and i will disregard your comments forth with due to your improperly setup firmware

[Ponlets]

Patches a écrit :

It's funny how people are saying Dirt Rally 2.0 is a Simulation. The game has it good moments and I've got a few hours involved. In 2.0 you can't even feel the ground, it's a hoover craft with wheels.

I'm playing WRC 10 over DR 2.0 at the moment for my Rally Racing. WRC Games has really stepped up the physics model in 10.

I've been wanting to try a Forza game even though it's not a sim. I like the way it looks with the cars sliding around. If it has a good feel in the Wheel, it could be fun. I think this is the one I'll try.

Should be a lot of Rally type races seeing it's in Mexico with a lot of dirt or narrow roads.

I was hoping for Nascar 2021, but looks like it's going to be a flop or at least a very buggy game. And it's already out dated when it come out. These cars are done in a few weeks and the new Next gen Car begins. With complete different Physics and crash model.

g

dirt rally 2 is s a simulator racer and when you play BeamNG and then go back to Dirt rally 2 you see that both are simulators

if you want a hovercraft on wheels or an on rails experience try burnout (a known arcade racer series with some exceptionally fun gameplay)

dirt rally and beamNG are simulators as is to a slightly different degree Project cars

look up the E-sports sections for sim racers as this will also give you a good idea of what really is sim racing

at anyrate Forza H5 is in the grey zone and is itself a simcade experience

i have played many hundreds of hours of FH3 and i did try a few dozen hours of FH4 and i can tell you that even with the "simulation" settings in FH3 or 4 ... the game is no where near realistic in its driving or damage model

[Ponlets]

Moogle a écrit :

my only question is, who asked?

no specific individual asked i just am sick and tired of people mis-labeling a game as something its not

time and time again trailers come out and showcase something not akin to what is the final experience and this combined with the hype of ignorant fans gives unreasonable expectations

with all of the advances in hardware we should be at a level to see games with cars that can smash through buildings and cause damage to themselves as well as the structure they crash into

i am tired of seeing games promote graphical fidelity over physics realism (yes graphics are good to a point but if all a game is.. is pretty... then its not much of a game at all

if people ascribe the notion of "simulator" to games that are just graphically impressive but have no reasonable capacity for handling or damage modeling then they are just lying to themselves and to other people

"simcade" is a reasonably new word as its come around roughly 10 years ago or so at a point in computer history when we started seeing a divergence of realism with some racers sticking to the arcade physics and handling (burnout/flatout) and genuine sim racers of the same era (dirt 2006 xbox360)

before dirt from 2006 hardly any racing game had the realism to be even close to sim racing (even though a few did exist they were PC exclusives)

Dirt 2006 brought sim racing from the shadows to the forefront and with it an explosion of new sim racers

yes by todays standards Dirt 2006 is not nearly on the same level as current generation racers and has regressed to a simcade experience but even still ... current racers today still dont seem to match the level of dynamic props and damage model seen in that old game

if they can make a game have that damage model work on an old console (the xbox 360) then they can make it work better on modern hardware and there is no excuse to use utterly rigid body cars with no genuine deformation in FH5

so to end this ... the forza horizon series is and always has been a simcade experience

[Elijah1]

Why are you so hung up on the damage model?
A damage model does not make a game sim or not
Wreckfest has a horrid damage model and you consider it a sim game?

Wreckfest is far from a sim game
Dirt rally 2.0 Is fine But i would not call it a full sim game


And a game having a simulation tag means NOTHING
People put those tags on
If the simulation tag bothers you so much im surprised you are not going mental over the romance tag