You can't kill a xenomorph with a flamethrower

[HEXEN]

Xenomorphs in the Alien series are supposed to be impervious to extreme temperatures. The AvP series has it otherwise but it isn't canon in the Alien series. It's weird seeing xenomorphs being calcinated via flamethrower in the screenshots.

Edit : It appears a lot of people coming in the thread get the sense that I'm campaigning against this game which is not the case at all. It's only a game after all and having the flamethrower kill adult xenomorphs is an alright gameplay mechanic, although not a very lore friendly one in my opinion. I fully intend to buy this game on release. The intent of this thread is to have a discussion/debate on the subject.

[HEXEN]

Publicado originalmente por that's what she said:

Imagine being anal about canon consistency with Alien movies...
We expect bugs to pop and it's a shooter. So it's better to make them pop. Man, it's aliens, there is no lore anymore, go watch Covenant again, it's canon and it took a massive dump on all canon lol Let's pretend m240 does damage xenos. Cause it does. End of story.

It doesn't in the movies. The only xenomorph killed by fire in the entire film series is a chestburster in Aliens. My opinion is 100% based on what can be seen in the movies. Also I don't care if the flamethrower can kill xenomorphs in this game since it's only a game. I'm only pointing out a common misconception.

[V0lcanF1re]

Publicado originalmente por Blackguard:

The USCM's flamethrower units specifically have the ability to kill Xenomorphs because they shoot a form of enhanced napalm.

here is the answer:

Publicado originalmente por HEXEN:

That being said I do actually believe that a xenomorph can be killed via flamethrower but it would have to be under constant output for like 10 to 15 minutes. Meaning until their internal fluids start boiling. That being said you would not have enough fuel in a regular tank to kill one single adult drone. Their mesoskeleton simply isn't susceptive to fire.

they will die, takes more time.
plasma? is different kind of 'weapon'.

[HEXEN]

Publicado originalmente por V0lcanF1re:

Publicado originalmente por Blackguard:

The USCM's flamethrower units specifically have the ability to kill Xenomorphs because they shoot a form of enhanced napalm.

here is the answer:

Publicado originalmente por HEXEN:

That being said I do actually believe that a xenomorph can be killed via flamethrower but it would have to be under constant output for like 10 to 15 minutes. Meaning until their internal fluids start boiling. That being said you would not have enough fuel in a regular tank to kill one single adult drone. Their mesoskeleton simply isn't susceptive to fire.

they will die, takes more time.
plasma? is different kind of 'weapon'.

Man, this Blackguard guy's argument was such nonsense....

[♡ Katalina Aryze ♡]

Publicado originalmente por Blackguard:

'it is known to be vulnerable to other forms of acid, as discovered by the crew of the Marion on LV-178' That's from Aliens: Out of the Shadows. Go look it up on amazon.

Eh, I know what you're talking about but that's not quite how it went. Xenomorphs aren't vulnerable to any type of acid, whether in the AvP universe or the Alien canon universe. Anything else is fan-fic.

So what you're saying, is that if you take a plasma gun of some kind, mix it with a flamethrower, you 'don't' end up with a plasma torch?

Where did I say or imply that at all? Seems like you're more or less putting words in my mouth to try to win an argument or maybe you had trouble reading my reply.

[V0lcanF1re]

Publicado originalmente por ♡ Katalina Aryze ♡:

So what you're saying, is that if you take a plasma gun of some kind, mix it with a flamethrower, you 'don't' end up with a plasma torch?
Where did I say or imply that at all? Seems like you're more or less putting words in my mouth to try to win an argument or maybe you had trouble reading my reply.

here is his plasma torch lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T_lmxORaXQ

Publicado originalmente por HEXEN:

Man, this Blackguard guy's argument was such nonsense....

Correct xD

[♡ Katalina Aryze ♡]

Publicado originalmente por V0lcanF1re:

they will die, takes more time.
plasma? is different kind of 'weapon'.

According to Blackgate, a Plasma Torch is a flamethrower because it's shoots a plasmid flame...

Like I said though, I work with plasma flames so it's kinda strange for some random kid on a forum to try to act like they can teach me something or know more than me about amything to do with plasma.

[♡ Katalina Aryze ♡]

Publicado originalmente por V0lcanF1re:

Publicado originalmente por ♡ Katalina Aryze ♡:

So what you're saying, is that if you take a plasma gun of some kind, mix it with a flamethrower, you 'don't' end up with a plasma torch?
Where did I say or imply that at all? Seems like you're more or less putting words in my mouth to try to win an argument or maybe you had trouble reading my reply.

here is his plasma torch lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T_lmxORaXQ

Yup. We use 4 miniature of those to melt plastic parts/ heat glue on a sliding belt at my work :)

[HEXEN]

Publicado originalmente por V0lcanF1re:

Publicado originalmente por ♡ Katalina Aryze ♡:

So what you're saying, is that if you take a plasma gun of some kind, mix it with a flamethrower, you 'don't' end up with a plasma torch? :cozycrashfish:
Where did I say or imply that at all? Seems like you're more or less putting words in my mouth to try to win an argument or maybe you had trouble reading my reply.

here is his plasma torch lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T_lmxORaXQ

Publicado originalmente por HEXEN:

Man, this Blackguard guy's argument was such nonsense....

Correct xD

Yeah and that's pretty much what we see Big Chap and the Praetomorph being subjected to lol And that's much hotter than what any flamethrower can spit.

[HEXEN]

Publicado originalmente por Immortan joe:

it's a film, and films from the 80s are restricted by budget and CGI for their time.
ffs the ending of Alien when Ripley fires the engines is done with water and big lamps. so no plasma and no fire. only creative special effects.

I fail to understand your point. Are you implying this thread is about the costume's actual resistance to flames?

Also the same thing happens in Covenant and it's full CGI.

[Bͥatͣmͫan]

Publicado originalmente por HEXEN:

Publicado originalmente por ᛞᚫᚾᛁᛖᛚ:

it worked in aliens when a chestburster burst out of the girl in the hive

Yes thank you we know that.

you are very welcome

[Dregora]

Publicado originalmente por HEXEN:

Publicado originalmente por ThumperBoyAD:

I completely disagree and here is why. First off in Alien and Aliens The aliens did show to be warded off by flamethrowers and direct contact with flames. Secondly Acid is generally a flammable substance and considering that the alien is filled with the stuff it would be reasonable to assume that prolonged exposure to direct flames might cause them to Pop! Third Ash didn't know much more about the xenomorph than the crew did, only what the company had told him. He would have told the crew anything to get them to continue to put themselves into harms way so he could retain a live specimen for the bio-weapons division.

So While I agree that one blast from the flamethrower wouldn't put one down immediately I do think that after continued direct exposure to the flames would eventually cause it to explode. That is what acid does.

You should check out the link in Hemi's comment. It is clear that, at least in Ridley Scott's head, xenomorphs are immune to flames. While I also tend to believe that extended exposure would probably kill them, the engine exhaust blast sustained by Big Chap in Alien didn't seem to damage him so it would have to be pretty substantial. In regards to actually burning a xenomorph I just don't think the output generated by a flamethrower would cut it. Also neither sulfuric nor hydrochloric acid are flammable as-is so I don't think your flammable blood theory holds any basis. While there are many other types of acids of which I don't know the properties, these two are the most likely to be what makes the xenomorph's blood corrosive.

Them being immune is silly, because if they were fully immune, why are they scared of it?

Correct me if i'm wrong but they seem less scared of guns, that do kill them.

[FerSantander]

Publicado originalmente por Cannonball:

I agree with OP. And even more - in Covenant xenomorph passes through the plasma stream, which is much hotter than the fire, whithout any damage.

But hey - it is a game and flamethrower is very very fun weapon. Relax and enjoy.

And as If resisting +1000ºC in a vacuum for around twelve seconds in the first movie was not enough already to demonstrate the the alien isn't only impervious to fire, but also has unmeasurable strength

Well, the first alien could not be destroyed actually, but ok this is a videogame.

And wth are those tiny alien runner toons lol. Developer after developer scrwing on the towering menacing size opf the aliens, always. Even Isolation didn't portray it exactly right, but these runners now are a joke hahah. Puts me off this game completely.

[♡ Katalina Aryze ♡]

Publicado originalmente por Dregora:

Them being immune is silly, because if they were fully immune, why are they scared of it?

Not really...

Xenomorphs are notcurnal, they are afraid of light....

Correct me if i'm wrong but they seem less scared of guns, that do kill them.

They are not afraid of anything really, in terms of weapons used against them or enemy, except their own kind. They really don't have any reason to be.

[R.4.V.3.N]

Publicado originalmente por Cannonball:

I agree with OP. And even more - in Covenant xenomorph passes through the plasma stream, which is much hotter than the fire, whithout any damage.

But hey - it is a game and flamethrower is very very fun weapon. Relax and enjoy.

Xenomorph lore is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ between various writers.

> Scot (Alien, Alien Prom, Alien Cov)=Xenomorphs are Mini-Deadpools. (Legit, they are meant to be reaniamators/regenerators. Via the extended script of Alien and commentary from Alien Covenant.)

> David Giler (Alien 3) = Xenomorph doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥ about fire, explosions, etc. Ripley and InmateWhoWroteABookInPrison had to use thermal stressing to kill it.

> Cameron(Aliens)=You need military equipment to take them down. Or at least a high enough caliber weapon to rip into them.

> Joss Whedon(Alien Resurrection)= I got no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ clue what was going on in this movie. One moment they can be shot with a handgun or some dinky wheelchair shotgun, or a pair of small holdout pistols what couldn't have been anything more than 9mm. But no one counts this movie anyways for good reason.

> William Gibson(Alien 3 Script Audiobook) = The aliens can hyperadapt into different forms depending on various stimulation. Can be killed with military weapons and kit, albeit far more dangerous in CQC due to an added form of reproduction via bacterial/phage.

So, brain time. Using fire on an Xenomorph may not kill it outright, but the heating of it's Exoskeleton while also being shot by military ammo would be effective. Kinda like how if you wanna shape steel you gotta heat it up.

At this point I think a lot of people just ignore Ridley Scott's mini-deadpool idea.

[Echorion]

Publicado originalmente por GoodBoi™:

Publicado originalmente por Cannonball:

I agree with OP. And even more - in Covenant xenomorph passes through the plasma stream, which is much hotter than the fire, whithout any damage.

But hey - it is a game and flamethrower is very very fun weapon. Relax and enjoy.

Xenomorph lore is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ between various writers.

> Scot (Alien, Alien Prom, Alien Cov)=Xenomorphs are Mini-Deadpools. (Legit, they are meant to be reaniamators/regenerators. Via the extended script of Alien and commentary from Alien Covenant.)

> David Giler (Alien 3) = Xenomorph doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥ about fire, explosions, etc. Ripley and InmateWhoWroteABookInPrison had to use thermal stressing to kill it.

> Cameron(Aliens)=You need military equipment to take them down. Or at least a high enough caliber weapon to rip into them.

> Joss Whedon(Alien Resurrection)= I got no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ clue what was going on in this movie. One moment they can be shot with a handgun or some dinky wheelchair shotgun, or a pair of small holdout pistols what couldn't have been anything more than 9mm. But no one counts this movie anyways for good reason.

> William Gibson(Alien 3 Script Audiobook) = The aliens can hyperadapt into different forms depending on various stimulation. Can be killed with military weapons and kit, albeit far more dangerous in CQC due to an added form of reproduction via bacterial/phage.

So, brain time. Using fire on an Xenomorph may not kill it outright, but the heating of it's Exoskeleton while also being shot by military ammo would be effective. Kinda like how if you wanna shape steel you gotta heat it up.

At this point I think a lot of people just ignore Ridley Scott's mini-deadpool idea.

Which would be fine, but in this game it just kills them on it's own.

I really feel it would have been cooler in this game if the incinerator was really effective at clearing eggs, enviromental things, face huggers and such....and made like most of the runners and smaller xenomorph threads kinda jump back or retreat a bit as you spray it (Like in alien isolation). It could even do small bits of damage or other things; but yeah killing them outright seems a bit like gimping aliens; and they already nerfed their acid blood a lot.