Caution! P2W trap!

[Nebucadneza]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd5wdhU6K98

[Tyrone Biggums]

Originally posted by Bliss:

Telling me your game is Free to play is telling me theres a catch and every time its P2W

a free to play game with no cash grabs yeah good luck finding those lol this games super fun tho so i have no problems dropping 100 bucks

[RudeFoxs]

Originally posted by Nebucadneza:

Originally posted by RudeFoxs:

if it is like poe as in stash tabs i wouldnt call it p2w more like pay for convenience myself. but will find out on the 12th. like if all i need to do is buy a few stash tabs and the crafing tabs not too bothered about the pet as you have auto pickup anyways then i am fine. if you get paywalled at a certain point to progress then yeah sure i'll just stop playing.

you can roll stats to min max for money.

also poe is clearly p2w, but as you say for you its at an acceptable level.
i tried playing poe without premium stashtabs and its not a pleasant experience.
EDIT:
id call poe buy to play since you need like 40-60 bucks for stashtabs and your sorted for life.

not true all i spent in poe was around £20-£30 pounds only bought currency tab map tab essence fragments tab and 1 quad tab i just waited for a sale. 20 -30 is nothing tbh especially when ur playing for more than a mnth played for 3yrs on and off so not that expensive. in my book ,you have buy 2 play games that still want money from you for battle passes, but yeah thats acceptable to some right.? d4 is gonna be buy 2 play too with a bp and a shop but that is acceptable. yet ftp games isnt .

[Spladian]

Played all 5 acts. Made it to lvl 43. I thought the game was fun. Playing at 4k 120 fps and buttery smooth.

You don't have to spend anything on a f2p game, but I'll spend money on this one, as I've already gotten 20+ hours of entertainment from it.

[RudeFoxs]

here ya go, take from it what you will , hope it settles stuff for ya, me i am still gonna play as f2p , but decide for yourselves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMGufAPiwC4

[GrandpaTrump]

Originally posted by RudeFoxs:

here ya go, take from it what you will , hope it settles stuff for ya, me i am still gonna play as f2p , but decide for yourselves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMGufAPiwC4

Wish he would have went more information about that charm system, which he mentioned is PvM only. That's pretty cool

[BigBoyAdvance]

Originally posted by Tyrone Biggums:

Originally posted by RudeFoxs:

tbh no point arguing about it , even if it was in plain black and white in the game, they will still say it is p2w.

the game is 100% pay to win for sure but theres varying ways in which its applied this games form of p2w isnt really that bad as you cant directly buy power

All the youtube analysis videos of KR version disagree with your delusional opinion lmao. Yes, you can buy power directly. Educate yourself before you post.

[Witski]

I don't see anyone crying about poe since have pretty much the same stuff in the store.

[Moogle]

Originally posted by Jacqli:

Originally posted by Lightning:

They could alter it for our version like they did with Lost ark allowing you to buy certain things with in game currency that KR cannot.

Lost Ark global is still extremely p2w. Sure, they made a few small changes, but it's still p2w as heck. Some people spent 10k$ and still didn't max out their honing lolz...

man you spend more time on steam discussions than you do actually playing anything, not to mention you are too scared to make your profile public. Go back to reddit, no one said it wasn't p2w. Ofc its going to have p2progress faster mechanics, every asian arpg/mmo does. Why are you so upset and salty about it? Surely theres better things you could be doing than lurking on steam discussions and posting your salt on reddit and twitter I'm sure.

You sound like the biggest ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cringe lord, you keep saying you aren't going to keep explaining to people why they shouldn't buy this 'cash grab' and then continue to whinge over and over, you are literally making yourself look like a sped. Go do something fun, touch grass even. If you aren't capable of accepting people are going to progress faster than you no matter what game you play, why are you even here or on any arpg/mmo. Probably some ex gacha game player who's mad they spent so much. NO ONE CARES, you made your point now move on like a mature person.

[Tyrone Biggums]

Originally posted by Jacqli:

Originally posted by Tyrone Biggums:

the game is 100% pay to win for sure but theres varying ways in which its applied this games form of p2w isnt really that bad as you cant directly buy power

All the youtube analysis videos of KR version disagree with your delusional opinion lmao. Yes, you can buy power directly. Educate yourself before you post.

why u lying? name 1 single way that i can directly buy power to gain an advantage reason i ask is because i know you cant and i know you wont provide an example because there isnt one

clown on my friend

[Aldri]

Originally posted by Tyrone Biggums:

Originally posted by Jacqli:

All the youtube analysis videos of KR version disagree with your delusional opinion lmao. Yes, you can buy power directly. Educate yourself before you post.

why u lying? name 1 single way that i can directly buy power to gain an advantage reason i ask is because i know you cant and i know you wont provide an example because there isnt one

clown on my friend

You can buy diamonds, change them to rubies, and buy the most OP stuff from the AH, or you can buy mats from the shop to improve your items. If that's not paying for power, then I don't know what is ?
That being said, you can obtain all of that by spending more time in game, so maybe you meant that there is no way to be absolutely more powerful (like buying stuff that you can't get any other way)

[Tyrone Biggums]

Originally posted by Aldri:

Originally posted by Tyrone Biggums:

why u lying? name 1 single way that i can directly buy power to gain an advantage reason i ask is because i know you cant and i know you wont provide an example because there isnt one

clown on my friend

You can buy diamonds, change them to rubies, and buy the most OP stuff from the AH, or you can buy mats from the shop to improve your items. If that's not paying for power, then I don't know what is ?
That being said, you can obtain all of that by spending more time in game, so maybe you meant that there is no way to be absolutely more powerful (like buying stuff that you can't get any other way)

yeah buying from auction house is an option but all of that came from in game theres nothing u can buy on the shop that gives u power lol

[wubbles]

Every MMO I've ever played has had some sort of RMT black market. There's always players that are clearly paying even when it's not officially supported. It's annoying and I wish it wasn't the case but I've had plenty of fun in the past even when playing with/against cheaters/payers. I'll still get some fun out of this one as essentially every MMO is p2w opportunity as soon as trading exists.

[Torinux]

Originally posted by Tyrone Biggums:

Originally posted by LAPDAlonzo:

What does pay to win exactly mean? i hear all the time , but for the most part it doesn't make any sense and it never made any sense.

Do you guys mean "pay to progress"? There's a difference.

paying for power basically it also applies to some convenience like auto looting etc the p2w in this game is in the form of RNG reset scrolls to reset gear stats to try and get them perfect

I've seen the Korean cash shop and I'm yet to see this scroll you keep talking about.

[Torinux]

Originally posted by Aldri:

Originally posted by Tyrone Biggums:

why u lying? name 1 single way that i can directly buy power to gain an advantage reason i ask is because i know you cant and i know you wont provide an example because there isnt one

clown on my friend

You can buy diamonds, change them to rubies, and buy the most OP stuff from the AH, or you can buy mats from the shop to improve your items. If that's not paying for power, then I don't know what is ?
That being said, you can obtain all of that by spending more time in game, so maybe you meant that there is no way to be absolutely more powerful (like buying stuff that you can't get any other way)

You just woke up my conspiracy theory crafter in me. There is no telling if a near perfect item was listed by a legit player or a Korean developer account that is injecting items to make a profit for the company via rubies... Oh this might be a possibility.

[Witski]

Originally posted by TorinuxCthulhu:

Originally posted by Aldri:

You can buy diamonds, change them to rubies, and buy the most OP stuff from the AH, or you can buy mats from the shop to improve your items. If that's not paying for power, then I don't know what is ?
That being said, you can obtain all of that by spending more time in game, so maybe you meant that there is no way to be absolutely more powerful (like buying stuff that you can't get any other way)

You just woke up my conspiracy theory crafter in me. There is no telling if a near perfect item was listed by a legit player or a Korean developer account that is injecting items to make a profit for the company via rubies... Oh this might be a possibility.

Or by maxroll - eso counter part that i forgot creators that impose meta on us and sell those items as they say !
Btw fu meta .