SOP vs FUBAR

[Lukas]

Does anyone know what is the difference in the mission variant setting? I know FUBAR is supposed to be harder, but does anyone have specific details as regards what changes?

[BobTank63]

They change up the mission parameters for each to make things more difficult. For example, on the weapons cache mission you have to blow up two caches, or on the convoy mission you no longer get told which direction the VBIEDs come from.

[AmperCamper]

We wanted there to be some elements of surprise associated with these. One example of a change is VBIEDs not being announced when playing Water Tower. There's various differences across the Fireteam missions that you guys won't expect being so accustomed to mission flow before the update.

[Lukas]

Thank you both

[Rico11b]

So, on the Water Tower map, why include the Sniper Team covering you then, if they aren't going to inform your team of incoming vbieds???

Not only that but the Sniper Teams are useless anyways. They say stupid crap like, "you got a ♥♥♥♥-ton of bad-guys headed your way" That's USELESS info. Since they're supposed to be our "eye in the sky" how about give me a direction the combatants are coming from and a head count of how many combatants there are. A quick down and dirty SALUTE report could work, but no they just saying useless info. They spend more time telling us how much trouble they are in than they do giving us info. WTH is that about?

Speaking of the "Water Tower" convoy escort map. How dumb does it look that ONLY have 4 men DEFENDING 3 armored vehicles and two Humvees?? The 2 AAVs can carry about 20 men EACH, and the LAV-25 can carry 4 men. 2 Humvees can carry 4 men EACH. So, where the hell are the other 48 guys?

[Cmdr. Saunders]

Originally posted by Rico11b:

So, on the Water Tower map, why include the Sniper Team covering you then, if they aren't going to inform your team of incoming vbieds???

Not only that but the Sniper Teams are useless anyways. They say stupid crap like, "you got a ♥♥♥♥-ton of bad-guys headed your way" That's USELESS info. Since they're supposed to be our "eye in the sky" how about give me a direction the combatants are coming from and a head count of how many combatants there are. A quick down and dirty SALUTE report could work, but no they just saying useless info. They spend more time telling us how much trouble they are in than they do giving us info. WTH is that about?

Speaking of the "Water Tower" convoy escort map. How dumb does it look that ONLY have 4 men DEFENDING 3 armored vehicles and two Humvees?? The 2 AAVs can carry about 20 men EACH, and the LAV-25 can carry 4 men. 2 Humvees can carry 4 men EACH. So, where the hell are the other 48 guys?

"The other 48 guys" LOL. That was funny. I agree with everything you said. :)

[a grilled cheese sandwich]

Originally posted by Rico11b:

So, on the Water Tower map, why include the Sniper Team covering you then, if they aren't going to inform your team of incoming vbieds???

Not only that but the Sniper Teams are useless anyways. They say stupid crap like, "you got a ♥♥♥♥-ton of bad-guys headed your way" That's USELESS info. Since they're supposed to be our "eye in the sky" how about give me a direction the combatants are coming from and a head count of how many combatants there are. A quick down and dirty SALUTE report could work, but no they just saying useless info. They spend more time telling us how much trouble they are in than they do giving us info. WTH is that about?

Speaking of the "Water Tower" convoy escort map. How dumb does it look that ONLY have 4 men DEFENDING 3 armored vehicles and two Humvees?? The 2 AAVs can carry about 20 men EACH, and the LAV-25 can carry 4 men. 2 Humvees can carry 4 men EACH. So, where the hell are the other 48 guys?

i completely agree, the convoy escort makes you feel incredibly undermanned despite there being 2 AAVs, you just get overwhelmed way too fast.

i feel like for a mission like that, more people are required.

[Gladiator-Ricdog]

Originally posted by a grilled cheese sandwich:

Originally posted by Rico11b:

So, on the Water Tower map, why include the Sniper Team covering you then, if they aren't going to inform your team of incoming vbieds???

Not only that but the Sniper Teams are useless anyways. They say stupid crap like, "you got a ♥♥♥♥-ton of bad-guys headed your way" That's USELESS info. Since they're supposed to be our "eye in the sky" how about give me a direction the combatants are coming from and a head count of how many combatants there are. A quick down and dirty SALUTE report could work, but no they just saying useless info. They spend more time telling us how much trouble they are in than they do giving us info. WTH is that about?

Speaking of the "Water Tower" convoy escort map. How dumb does it look that ONLY have 4 men DEFENDING 3 armored vehicles and two Humvees?? The 2 AAVs can carry about 20 men EACH, and the LAV-25 can carry 4 men. 2 Humvees can carry 4 men EACH. So, where the hell are the other 48 guys?

i completely agree, the convoy escort makes you feel incredibly undermanned despite there being 2 AAVs, you just get overwhelmed way too fast.

i feel like for a mission like that, more people are required.

AAV fire on enemy presence and are more then enough on a call out for when they're near. Plus enemies only come from one direction, so alright that a 4 man team can combat a larger force when that force has to funnel itself. Granted, it is still the weakest of the fireteam missions. Although, I do feel like the explosions and random rpg attacks

[GRU-Vy]

Originally posted by Rico11b:

So, on the Water Tower map, why include the Sniper Team covering you then, if they aren't going to inform your team of incoming vbieds???

Not only that but the Sniper Teams are useless anyways. They say stupid crap like, "you got a ♥♥♥♥-ton of bad-guys headed your way" That's USELESS info. Since they're supposed to be our "eye in the sky" how about give me a direction the combatants are coming from and a head count of how many combatants there are. A quick down and dirty SALUTE report could work, but no they just saying useless info. They spend more time telling us how much trouble they are in than they do giving us info. WTH is that about?

Speaking of the "Water Tower" convoy escort map. How dumb does it look that ONLY have 4 men DEFENDING 3 armored vehicles and two Humvees?? The 2 AAVs can carry about 20 men EACH, and the LAV-25 can carry 4 men. 2 Humvees can carry 4 men EACH. So, where the hell are the other 48 guys?

Ive said it before. That whole mission needs to be redesigned. Its feels like an objective that takes part inside another mission. 4 men defending that many vehicles doesnt make sense, and you mentioned the sniper team is useless. Well to add further, there are side objectives that will make it easier to defend the convoy, the kicker is you cant leave the convoy unprotected so a 4 man team becomes 2. Its very easy to die on the way to get rid of mortars or better yet a sniper (which your sniper team informs you of, why arent they trying to get rid of that guy?).

The other mission where you have a sniper in the mosque’s minaret is also ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on harder difficulties especially solo. You are being fired on but cant engage and whilst trying to fight through a city you are receiving fire from above. I cant explain how frustrated i was when i was on that mission and had to remove a mortar team on the rooftop. Killing them is easy (although i was exposed to the sniper) but i ended up dieing by the sniper while i was kicking the mortars over.

[Dog]

Originally posted by Rico11b:

That whole mission needs to be redesigned.

100% agree. At least change up what the situation is, maybe have it be an evac gone wrong or something instead of a convoy, that would make way more sense. As well as having the sniper team give more accurate info. Obviously they probably wouldn't give exact info because of how much voice acting it'd require, but a general location of incoming people would be nice.

[Piranha]

Tbh, the game may be quit realistic for sure. but its almost unplayable. i spawn get an RPG and dead...next time i spawn got a mortar granade and dead..i walk 3 meters and from anywhere in the window, which is nearly impossible to see because its pitch black inside..dead..longest survive time 4 minutes..time to kill is questionable. i would guess that someone got shot in the head should be dead.. but often they need 2 shots to the head. movement is clunky and slow..realistic maybe but fun to play ? not really. single player absolute no chance unless you are a shroud on speed. but for the average player zero chance.. i like the idea of the game, but its way way to hard. i played for quit a few hrs and im used to shooter games. but unfortunetely i have to uninstall.. there is no chance to beat one single game mode. i wished i could make a loadout by myself and very important an option to make it less difficult. i never felt more frustration in a game..

[BobTank63]

Originally posted by Piranha:

Tbh, the game may be quit realistic for sure. but its almost unplayable. i spawn get an RPG and dead...next time i spawn got a mortar granade and dead..i walk 3 meters and from anywhere in the window, which is nearly impossible to see because its pitch black inside..dead..longest survive time 4 minutes..time to kill is questionable. i would guess that someone got shot in the head should be dead.. but often they need 2 shots to the head. movement is clunky and slow..realistic maybe but fun to play ? not really. single player absolute no chance unless you are a shroud on speed. but for the average player zero chance.. i like the idea of the game, but its way way to hard. i played for quit a few hrs and im used to shooter games. but unfortunetely i have to uninstall.. there is no chance to beat one single game mode. i wished i could make a loadout by myself and very important an option to make it less difficult. i never felt more frustration in a game..

I can see how that can be really frustrating. Keep in mind, right now the game is meant to played with a team of players, not solo. Solo play will be more viable once friendly AI is released this quarter.