Iron sights

[=_X_=™©]

is there a way to actually use the iron sights , i 100% understand the point and shoot over the iron sight , ive said it many times in a true firefight often times neither side has time to "aim down the sight " the only people who do are the dead ones , HOWEVER i do enjoy using the iron sights , that being said is that an option ? i dont have the game but am considering buying it

[Strelok]

Only if you have a role that you can use rifle without scope.

And it's absolutely useless, it shouldn't be even there. Impossible to aim anything.

[=_X_=™©]

yea ive seen the pictures the player is like aiming over the iron sights , its suposed to be like "quick general point and shoot "

[macdaddymario]

By default (unless you change it in your options) you go into point shooting when aiming. Which, as you've noted, you should 100% be doing anytime you're in a building. As there's no room large enough to have too much deviation when aiming at someone in the building your in.

After you're aiming, you scroll your mouse wheel up and you'll look down the scope or iron sights.

Or, you change your settings in options and you start looking through the scope/irons, and mouse wheel down to point shoot.

[=_X_=™©]

outstanding , i was worried it might be only point shooting , you only see point shooting in the screen shots

[Rico11b]

Just ADS and roll the mouse wheel forward to bring you into TRUE ADS (aim down sights). I use the irons all the time to pick off Terries at a distance.

[Strelok]

Here how it looks. I don't see the point. It just make aim a much harder job, terrible or nearly impossible to track anything. No real usage.

https://i.imgur.com/f599nZd.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ujTpUVI.jpg

[=_X_=™©]

yea i can see why they did the whole point and shoot thing, not going to lie that looks awful , ive definitely seen better re creations of the M16A2 / A4

[Inception]

Is it just me or is the iron sight actually not that hard to use just sounds like skill issue :\ bigger problems in this game then iron sight :')

[AmperCamper]

Originally posted by macdaddymario:

By default (unless you change it in your options) you go into point shooting when aiming. Which, as you've noted, you should 100% be doing anytime you're in a building. As there's no room large enough to have too much deviation when aiming at someone in the building your in.

After you're aiming, you scroll your mouse wheel up and you'll look down the scope or iron sights.

Or, you change your settings in options and you start looking through the scope/irons, and mouse wheel down to point shoot.

This is correct.

[Strelok]

Originally posted by Inception:

Is it just me or is the iron sight actually not that hard to use just sounds like skill issue :\ bigger problems in this game then iron sight :')

I would say it's opposite. But I don't need to doubt about your or other people skills. I would say that's probably related to experience. I will explain.

What are the main reason to choose a specific shooting style than others? Accuracy. But it's not the only reason. More below.

We basically have 3 types of shooting style in FPS games. Hipfire, ADS and iron sight.

As soon you don't need any zoom to engage enemies that are far away and accuracy is the same for all, hipfire it's the obvious choice. Faster reaction, faster movements, more freedom to move, wider and clear vision and you can easily track the enemy across the field having more information about the target and everything around it since there's less weapong blocking the view too. Generally it's the best of all worlds.

But on 6DIF hipfire there's no accuracy at all. So it's not even a real choice to shoot.

ADS and iron sight have the same accuracy, So why use ADS instead IS on 6? Less weapon blocking the view, so we have more information to track the target. But what about the zoom factor?

As you can see in the screenshot, while IS increase all subjects size, but it removes lot of information. A lot. Look at the SS. Car is completely gone, for example. You just loose basically all the reference to a clear shot. We're not talking about a game that you kill someone when you hit the target. Sometimes they need 3, 4 or 5 bullets to go down.

So lost information is a big, big, big con. If you need to track the enemy, you will probably lost it since you have a little tiny and insanely limited view of whats going on. ADS give you enough zoom to have a clear view of any enemy and its surroundings. So IS will give you nothing but a big con on 6DIF.

For pistol it's a very different story on 6DIF, for example. IS don't have a big con since you don't have much zoom, pistol don't cover 50% of screen and basically you can keep all the information you need to have a proper aim and track enemies. And it's the best for accuracy, making IS the best choice for most of times on pistols. I would say all of time, but i can see why people prefer the other style/position here and there.

[C3nturion]

From what I understand you meant to shoot without focusing the aim, as if it were CS GO, right? It's not possible, because you can't aim at the enemy, the shots will come out disorderly downwards. You need to focus your aim to get it right. In scope focus system you can select Iron sight or Acog scope. Iron sight with acog you will use the aiming mass, that is, the tip of the rifle.

[Johnny Cash Flow]

Originally posted by =_X_=™©:

ive said it many times in a true firefight often times neither side has time to "aim down the sight " the only people who do are the dead ones

Please, enlighten us on your knowledge of "true firefights."
As a Marine combat veteran who actually conducted operations in Fallujah in 2004 and 2005, I'd love to hear about how all the times I used my sights to shoot at AQI, I ended up dead and not here replying to your ignorant comment on a Steam forum.

To show that I'm a good sport, here's one of mine: While conducting a cordon and search in Husay Jumaylah, on 17 June 2005 while embedded with L Co, 3/4, we were wrapping up when we heard a loud explosion in the distance followed by gunfire. I was in the back of the highback humvee with our source when a SSgt jumped in the driver's seat and said we were going to support. I informed him that we had the source in the back and he said "♥♥♥♥ IT!" and we hauled down ASR Boston towards Albu Hatim. While enroute to the blast, along with three other CAT vehicles, we were ambushed with AK and PKM fire from the north and south. While returning fire, I ensured that our source wasn't compromised, despite being ordered to dismount out of the vic - so I stayed with the 240G gunner and we laid suppressive fire south towards a compound. Off to the left, about 50 - 75 yards away, I noticed that there was a guy popping his head out from behind a building, then spraying with an AK, then popping back behind cover. I also noticed, from the lack of dust and impacts around his location, that no one was engaging him. So, utilizing my ACOG on my M16A2, I decided to summon my inner Carlos Hathcock and take a well-aimed shot. I steadied my rifle, drew my breath in deep, let it out slowly, and smoothly pulled the trigger to the rear. With a loud explosion, suddenly the source jumps up and started screaming! I told him to shut up and sit down. I looked through my ACOG and noticed that the guy was still there. I must have missed, I figured. So, again, I steadied my rifle, drew my breath, thought about how the White Feather must have felt, pulled the trigger. With an even louder explosion I see sparks fly out of my muzzle and the source began to shout incoherently and pointing! I look closely at where the source was pointing and I see two small holes in the highback's armor. This was the moment when I realized that height-over-bore is a serious thing to consider when operating in tight spaces.
I put my barrel on top of the armor, peered through the glass, took the shot, and the insurgent spun around out of view, presumably to his death.

As we cleared the compound, bagged up the bodies, and relaxed with some MREs, the SSgt walked by and commented, "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥! Look how close you were to catching one in the face!" I had to come clean, "Well, SSgt... what had happened was..."

So, that's just one example of when I "aimed down [my] sights" in a "true firefight" and am not dead.

Looking forward to hearing your stories about how much of a hardened warfighter you are that you don't even have to use your sights in "true firefights."

Sincerely,

JCF
U.S. Marine Corps
Small Craft Co, Iraq, 2004
RCT-8, Iraq, 2005

DoD Contractor
Multiple Marine BNs, Camp Marjeh, Helmand, AFG, 2011
3rd SFG, Nangarhar/Kunar, AFG, 2012

[=_X_=™©]

Originally posted by Johnny Cash Flow:

Originally posted by =_X_=™©:

ive said it many times in a true firefight often times neither side has time to "aim down the sight " the only people who do are the dead ones

Please, enlighten us on your knowledge of "true firefights."
As a Marine combat veteran who actually conducted operations in Fallujah in 2004 and 2005, I'd love to hear about how all the times I used my sights to shoot at AQI, I ended up dead and not here replying to your ignorant comment on a Steam forum.

To show that I'm a good sport, here's one of mine: While conducting a cordon and search in Husay Jumaylah, on 17 June 2005 while embedded with L Co, 3/4, we were wrapping up when we heard a loud explosion in the distance followed by gunfire. I was in the back of the highback humvee with our source when a SSgt jumped in the driver's seat and said we were going to support. I informed him that we had the source in the back and he said "♥♥♥♥ IT!" and we hauled down ASR Boston towards Albu Hatim. While enroute to the blast, along with three other CAT vehicles, we were ambushed with AK and PKM fire from the north and south. While returning fire, I ensured that our source wasn't compromised, despite being ordered to dismount out of the vic - so I stayed with the 240G gunner and we laid suppressive fire south towards a compound. Off to the left, about 50 - 75 yards away, I noticed that there was a guy popping his head out from behind a building, then spraying with an AK, then popping back behind cover. I also noticed, from the lack of dust and impacts around his location, that no one was engaging him. So, utilizing my ACOG on my M16A2, I decided to summon my inner Carlos Hathcock and take a well-aimed shot. I steadied my rifle, drew my breath in deep, let it out slowly, and smoothly pulled the trigger to the rear. With a loud explosion, suddenly the source jumps up and started screaming! I told him to shut up and sit down. I looked through my ACOG and noticed that the guy was still there. I must have missed, I figured. So, again, I steadied my rifle, drew my breath, thought about how the White Feather must have felt, pulled the trigger. With an even louder explosion I see sparks fly out of my muzzle and the source began to shout incoherently and pointing! I look closely at where the source was pointing and I see two small holes in the highback's armor. This was the moment when I realized that height-over-bore is a serious thing to consider when operating in tight spaces.
I put my barrel on top of the armor, peered through the glass, took the shot, and the insurgent spun around out of view, presumably to his death.

As we cleared the compound, bagged up the bodies, and relaxed with some MREs, the SSgt walked by and commented, "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥! Look how close you were to catching one in the face!" I had to come clean, "Well, SSgt... what had happened was..."

So, that's just one example of when I "aimed down [my] sights" in a "true firefight" and am not dead.

Looking forward to hearing your stories about how much of a hardened warfighter you are that you don't even have to use your sights in "true firefights."

Sincerely,

JCF
U.S. Marine Corps
Small Craft Co, Iraq, 2004
RCT-8, Iraq, 2005

DoD Contractor
Multiple Marine BNs, Camp Marjeh, Helmand, AFG, 2011
3rd SFG, Nangarhar/Kunar, AFG, 2012

first off i was making a point that i understand why the devs did the the point shoot over the sight feature , secondly i am in favor of iron sight as my origninal post indicated , thirdly that story was a weird flex and fourth :

you must be one of the legendary marines that eats crayons you just went full auto son , yea obviously not everyone who aims there guns are dead , that's a bit of a stretch to take me literally , and you either ate too many crayons during deployment or didn't learn a damn thing because anyone who's even watched a classic CCTV footage of a shoot out could tell you there's very little time to get your fancy sights and all that going its point and shoot , when your in what i will call a sustained fire fight that go's on for lengthy periods of time yes of course you have more time to actually observe and get proper shots off , the opening of any combat situation and you should know this is fire superiority that means spraying lead this will give your automatic riflemen or machine gunner time be brought forward and set up and to fix them with sustained proper fire , then comes the manoeuvring and flanking , followed by you guessed it proper aimed shots = takedown.....

[Johnny Cash Flow]

Originally posted by =_X_=™©:

Originally posted by Johnny Cash Flow:

first off i was making a point that i understand why the devs did the the point shoot over the sight feature , secondly i am in favor of iron sight as my origninal post indicated , thirdly that story was a weird flex and fourth :

you must be one of the legendary marines that eats crayons you just went full auto son , yea obviously not everyone who aims there guns are dead , that's a bit of a stretch to take me literally , and you either ate too many crayons during deployment or didn't learn a damn thing because anyone who's even watched a classic CCTV footage of a shoot could tell you there's very little time to get your fancy sights and all that going its point and shoot , when your in what i will call a sustained fire fight that go's on for lengthy periods of time yes of course you have more time to actually observe and get proper shots off , the opening of any combat situation and you should know this is fire superiority that means spraying lead this will give your automatic riflemen or machine gunner time be brought forward and set up and to fix them with sustained proper fire , then comes the manoeuvring and flanking , followed by you guessed it proper aimed shots = takedown.....

Oh, you were talking out of your ass and know nothing on the topic besides what you've seen on the internet but you want to talk as if you actually have something intelligent to say. Got it.

Thank you for proving that no one should listen to you on this subject.

Maybe next time just skip the whole "ive said it many times in a true firefight..." part and save us all the hassle of pointing out that you don't know what you're talking about with regards to "true firefights."

Keep watching that "CCTV footage," and thank you for your cervix.

[=_X_=™©]

you really like to argue huh ?

" this guy said something tactical , god that makes me mad.... i bet like the other 800 gamers i yelled at this week he's never actually served in the military, time to post all my deployment dates and other stuff to prove that im the real sOlDiEr "

Your our little soldier boy okay , your so cute when your angry now go back to wherver you came from and let the adults play the M rated game , clearly this is making you upset so its time for you to go play with your little green army men