why is my M16 has 28 rounds in a mag ?

[Winnie]

Am I missing some military/historical context or a simple bug ? it should 30 rounds in it right ?

[Sprex]

It was common to only have 25ish rounds in a mag like others have said, the rounds could be in there for days depending on your situation and it reduced the compression on the springs, overly compressed springs wouldn't "push" the rounds up enough and can lead to stoppages. all the sand and grit in the area also made it harder on the springs so they needed the extra bit of help.

If the situation there was anything like Afghanistan (British perspective) we would carry something called a "speed loader" which is used to quickly put rounds into your mags, you had a bandoleer of extra ammo (a sling with I believe 150 rounds in, they were in 10 round "clips" that was just a plastic strip to hold them together) you would put the speed loader on top of your mag then put in the 10 round clip and push it in, do that twice per mag that were "low". so it was always under 30, you could guess how full the mag was by its weight and balance.

It was optional but a lot of lads had a "dump pouch" which was a bag with an elastic hole opening and when you reload you just throw your partial mag in there and when you found a moment "re-bomb" them and put them back in your mag pouch.

when back in camp you put a tool in the bottom of the mag and the bottom/spring would pop out so you can ease the springs.

any way.... it was always under 30.

[Ethanelephants]

everyone has pretty much covered all of the bases on this one, to add, the only time i ever had a full mag of 30 was during yearly quals.

[Freedom_exp(-1)]

Because people believe what they see in the movies and video games, and don't know othing.
A modern M-16 type magazine can hold 30 rounds without any issue.
The only issue was bad quality springs back in the 60's.

[DEREK]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Freedom_exp(-1):

Because people believe what they see in the movies and video games, and don't know othing.
A modern M-16 type magazine can hold 30 rounds without any issue.
The only issue was bad quality springs back in the 60's.

K

[Ethanelephants]

Diposting pertama kali oleh HaxRet:

Diposting pertama kali oleh DEREK:

Easy be an armchair quarterback and LOL over something trivial like this when you've never been to boot camp or combat training and had it drilled in your head.

Tell that to insurgents using weapons from 2004 since today. Or talibans with Mosins from WW2 (in Afghanistan).

most of the insurgents in fallujah were foreign mercenaries from Iran, Syria, Chechnya, etc.
I understand the point your trying to make, but the insurgents werent nobodies that had just picked up a rifle for the first time. The Afghans especially, received equipment and training during the soviet war.

Derek is being kinda rude though and should probably be a bit more informative in his responses.

[Cryptic]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Freedom_exp(-1):

Because people believe what they see in the movies and video games, and don't know othing.
A modern M-16 type magazine can hold 30 rounds without any issue.
The only issue was bad quality springs back in the 60's.

The standard M16 mags have had issues with springs for a long time. I have even experienced this so I started loading only 27 in my own mags which I have as a civilian from legit surplus magazines they really had. The springs are known to ♥♥♥♥

[DEREK]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ethanelephants:

Diposting pertama kali oleh HaxRet:

Tell that to insurgents using weapons from 2004 since today. Or talibans with Mosins from WW2 (in Afghanistan).

most of the insurgents in fallujah were foreign mercenaries from Iran, Syria, Chechnya, etc.
I understand the point your trying to make, but the insurgents werent nobodies that had just picked up a rifle for the first time. The Afghans especially, received equipment and training during the soviet war.

Derek is being kinda rude though and should probably be a bit more informative in his responses.

When the person was given the correct answer and their response is "no that doesn't make sense lol." That would probably be why. Still have no idea why opposition fighters using different weapons systems would have anything to do with 28 rounds in a magazine for an M16. They lost me there. Since you claim to know their point as to what they're talking about, could you explain?

[Necramonium™]

What about the sidearm that seems to have 16 rounds in a magazine that can hold 15.

[Shinigami]

Diposting pertama kali oleh DEREK:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Austin96:

Bro, this is not bootcamp lmao! This is a video game....

A video game where people with limited knowledge on certain subjects are asking questions related to why things are a certain way. I was simply stating, that it is drilled into every Marine starting at boot camp, you do not put 30 rounds in a magazine. I was not implying anybody needs to go to boot camp, or anything along those lines.

I did two tours in Iraq and never had an issue with 30 rounds in my mag, but I was constantly cleaning them on downtime when it was available, it was also never ingrained at boot camp to never fill the mags to 30, a lot of the time I was leaving the wire with 31 rounds in my A4

[Cryptic]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Necramonium:

What about the sidearm that seems to have 16 rounds in a magazine that can hold 15.

dude... you can load +1 and carry a full mag. i do that with my CC uspc .45

[Shinigami]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Necramonium:

What about the sidearm that seems to have 16 rounds in a magazine that can hold 15.

that would be 15 in the Magazine and 1 in the pipe, most magazine fired weapons can do this

[Freedom_exp(-1)]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Cryptic:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Freedom_exp(-1):

Because people believe what they see in the movies and video games, and don't know othing.
A modern M-16 type magazine can hold 30 rounds without any issue.
The only issue was bad quality springs back in the 60's.

The standard M16 mags have had issues with springs for a long time. I have even experienced this so I started loading only 27 in my own mags which I have as a civilian from legit surplus magazines they really had. The springs are known to ♥♥♥♥

The issue is using surplus mag which were bought in big quantities with low quality specs because what mattered was the price.
Buy good quality 3rd party mags, like Magpul magazines and your issues will be solved immediately and you can store them loaded for 10 years without any issue.

[Freedom_exp(-1)]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Necramonium:

What about the sidearm that seems to have 16 rounds in a magazine that can hold 15.

Err 15 + 1 in the chamber maybe?

[Theron Nett]

Diposting pertama kali oleh DEREK:

Because the springs are crap, and will wear out at a much quicker rate when topped off to 30.

God. I remember this myth when I was serving and how it spread around for years. It turned out to be completely unfounded. By 2007-8, it pretty much died out.

Now the dirt and dust makes sense, but that is why you stored your magazines upside down and then tapped them a little before righting them up and loading the rifle, they operated without a hit.

You only had to worry about the spring wearing if you left the magazine fully loaded for months. Doing your proper maintenance on your mags when your doing weapon maintenance solved any issues of the spring wearing out.

[Foot Job]

I literally had no idea putting less rounds in a mag decreased overall wear