Feedback: Suleidy is overpowered

[CrazyLazyCat]

I like her, I like her kit, and like her as a character, I would use her regardless of her power, mostly because of Cover seeds (bush), but I don't like when I go through a map using only one character to do everything, and that's what I do with her (bare in mind I only play on cursed difficulty).
Being able to summon a bush where you want is good, very good ,probably the best skill in the game (after Pikus possession, but that's his whole thing). I used her in almost every missions because of that, and would still do it even without the Wander Dust. So combining Bush and the fact she has a fast melee kill (2.5s), she is perfect for going around taking down guards, hiding bodies AND herself. She was my preferred character even before the Wander Dust upgrade, but then I got the upgrade and that's the point she becomes overpowered. The wander dust reverse remove the need of another team member to help her, now she can go solo, lure guards and kill them inside your bush, leaving no body behind. I know John can also hide bodies with his skill, but he is a slow killer (5.0s), and is not as fast to return to the below and hide himself as Suleidy is with her bush, same can be said to Quentin, who is also a slow killer/ body hidder. (...)
In my opinion, Suleidy's Bush should take a little more time to grow, and then, her upgrade should make it grow faster, to how it is on the live game. Wander Dust reverse should not exist in the game, because it promote a "solo push" type of play, considering the synergy with the bush. IMO, the upgraded version of Suleidy should be as she is without the upgrade on the live game.
Coming from someone that always loved the "Trap and flute-luring" since Shadow Tactics, Toya was the first one I ressurected, It actually took me some time to ressurect Suleidy, but once I did... Suleidy completely overshadow Toya in every way, after I ressurected her I barely used him anymore, and that's sad.

[LouisKM124]

I agree but Toya actually also becomes one of the best after upgrade if you use him correctly. And Toya and Suleidy actually work best together. Toya/Suleidy/John or Toya/Suleidy/Teresa destroy everything brainlessly on sight.

The correct play style for Toya should be like this.
Drop takashiro anywhere at mission start. Use bird's voice to lure enemy to somewhere out of other enemies's sight. Then just teleport right after that (safe lure) then teleport back (kill). He can kill all lower rank soldiers by himself with little effort after upgrade. Don't recommend dropping takashiro more than once without thinking or on enemies.

Toya will never get caught because he is the only character who can get out of viewcone immediately after being spotted. That is provided that you place the takashiro previously. Also the reason to place takashiro at mission start and best not messing with it anymore.

Third teammate I recommend are john and Teresa. John is op without explanation. Toya/Suleidy/John can go everywhere without limitation because all 3 can swim and climb, and most importantly both 3 characters can stay hidden at the same time at everywhere. Teresa is very good at long range blind and kill if necessary.

Kind of funny that the two earliest characters end up best characters in end game. Afia is the worst character in my opinion.

[iviachupichu]

Honestly, I think you could make a case for pretty much every character except Afia and maybe Quentin being "overpowered", especially post-upgrade. I do feel that Suleidy is in the top end, but she's not far ahead enough to be irreplaceable. Quentin is the slowest body hider but can do it from a nice distance. Gaelle kills and hides bodies just as fast once upgraded but doesn't hide herself. John can hide himself and a body almost instantly with Anchor Down or take more time but also kill with Anchor Up.

As you pointed out, they can't match Suleidy at personally killing and hiding but they still bring other meaningful utility to the table. Suleidy can notably buffer hiding by throwing bushes on enemies being killed by allies or place bushes on patrol routes to hide as soon as the kill animation finishes.

[LouisKM124]

Originally posted by iviachupichu:

Honestly, I think you could make a case for pretty much every character except Afia and maybe Quentin being "overpowered", especially post-upgrade. I do feel that Suleidy is in the top end, but she's not far ahead enough to be irreplaceable. Quentin is the slowest body hider but can do it from a nice distance. Gaelle kills and hides bodies just as fast once upgraded but doesn't hide herself. John can hide himself and a body almost instantly with Anchor Down or take more time but also kill with Anchor Up.

As you pointed out, they can't match Suleidy at personally killing and hiding but they still bring other meaningful utility to the table. Suleidy can notably buffer hiding by throwing bushes on enemies being killed by allies or place bushes on patrol routes to hide as soon as the kill animation finishes.

True, her upgrade is very underwhelming. It's the only skill that is actually good but one time usage is just disappointing. That ability doesn't worth a much more powerful teammate. She can't even swim.

[Tricking Trapster]

Afia's biggest strength is bypassing sightlines. Combine her with Suleidy's bushes to effectively increase her blink distance. Combine her with John and as long as there's cover she can keep up with him ; Time Freeze lasts just long enough on Acolytes for John to do an Anchor Up kill and go back down without being seen.

Quentin is more of a support, making other crewmates better. He and Gaelle are probably the best characters to take when you're doing challenges that don't allow you to use ladders or ivies. Cleaning up bodies with Quentin won't even count as kills when you do it on unconscious or tied up guards (yes he can fish up unconscious, non-tied up guards, which is why he combos so well with Gaelle.)
Toya's teleport skill is not just for trapping and killing guards, it is also a massively effective escape tool.Put it down, kill a guard somewhere decently away, teleport out - evn if they find the body, they won't find Toya. His upgrade makes this hilarious - kill a guard somewhere, teleport out, guard goes to investigate... Teleport kill, teleport out, a guard goes to investigate... Etc. You should use him when you want to, and personally, I've never had the problem where I thought one single character was too OP.

[Lady Neravin]

Originally posted by iviachupichu:

Honestly, I think you could make a case for pretty much every character except Afia and maybe Quentin being "overpowered", especially post-upgrade. I do feel that Suleidy is in the top end, but she's not far ahead enough to be irreplaceable. Quentin is the slowest body hider but can do it from a nice distance. Gaelle kills and hides bodies just as fast once upgraded but doesn't hide herself. John can hide himself and a body almost instantly with Anchor Down or take more time but also kill with Anchor Up.

As you pointed out, they can't match Suleidy at personally killing and hiding but they still bring other meaningful utility to the table. Suleidy can notably buffer hiding by throwing bushes on enemies being killed by allies or place bushes on patrol routes to hide as soon as the kill animation finishes.

I think Quentin is really strong after his upgrade. You can chain his two distractions forever withe the fishing rod.

[Power_Bert]

I dunno, playing on Legend i could say pretty much the same about Quentin or Pinkus. I can easily one man whole maps just using Quentin especially after he gets the conch.
I think these chars are balanced, everyone is op, so noone really is.

[YummyWong]

hmm this is more action(y) than stealthy, the characters in this iteration (shadow tactics, etc) all seem to be OP. like every single one of them you could prob solo each map (almost)

[Tricking Trapster]

Each crewmember has a challenge on a mission or two to do it by themselves.

[szaky007]

For me, Suleidy, Quentin and Gaelle are the dream team. I already did 3 missions with them and it's just way too easy. Gaelle shoots the guard and Quentin uses the fishing pole to pull him in or just shoot Quentin there. Also Quentin second fastest body hider as with his fishing pole he can pull bodies to him in a heartbeat and the cooldown is decent. With Suleidy I just put the bush where I need to put Quentin, and Gaelle to be in range for their skills. Also after the upgrade Suleidy can use Wander Dust reverse(G button) that can be combined with Wander Dust normal to just pull an enemy close and then push him away.