Why should I use Aegis of the Plague

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I know it will give me a way to invest into the Drowner faction for a while, but will kill my Undead faction, so I can only get Souls from Crystal 4 ... which does calculate the ammount of souls how exactly ?

But what is the advantage from getting the Drowners up, except for being able to invest into the Warlocks with it ?

I don't seem to see a way to get significant advantages of rebirthing, Hell ashes ammount increases too slow, I will probably never get more than 600 and there seems to be no advantage at all, seen towards a rebirth, to invest in any faction.

Also I do not even know, if my investment into warlocks or the spell book are permanent, and is there a way to replace a spell by another spell, I tried several key combinations, but nothing works. It is all so confusing, I do not know what I am doing half the time, and nothing seems to be effective.

Rebirthing seems to be waste of time, since it will again need endless time to get access into now unlocked factions, with those few rewards from a few hell ashes (few hundred) I cannot even get a contract that is worth the time invested.

[pac230]

Investments into Warlocks and the spell-book cannot be changed for the current run, but they are not permanent otherwise. (They are reset after rebirth.)

The reason to use Aegis of the Plague is that it is the first way that you get (still the only way I've got so far) of reaching 75+ magic powder and thus getting Drowner contracts. It gets you way more Waste, and thus Raw Mana, than you can get in any other way up to that point. After casting it, you won't generate souls, but you can buy a lot of Dagons before all your existing souls dry up, and Warlock units do not require souls, so you can still buy those after everything greys out. (To get to 75 magic powder, you will still also need Ark of the Drowned from the previous grimoire page.)

If you are not doing a Drowner/magic powder reset, then Aegis of the Plague is a negative and should not be used. I assume that eventually there are other ways of generating enough Waste that Aegis of the Plague becomes obsolete, just as the auto-Mavka spell gradually does, but I haven't got there yet.

If you are not feeling any progress, you might want to do shorter rebirths. Don't try to unlock Warlocks every run. If possible, just do short runs where you rebirth when you run out of energy. You may find that you can do shorter runs to get hell ash or bone flour very quickly, and can invest that into Contracts.

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I see your magic powder explaination makes sense, thank you for your efforts.
I thought that Boiler A makes just no sense to use and so I changed my mind and aimed to using boiler B for better results, but it is not that much difference. Aren't there any other Boilers that come up later ?

For now my plan is just to wait until I have enough gears to get 1250 prestige for contract K. I made a short rebirth at first, then realised it is all taking very long to get to the first boiler, and so I made a second rebirth after that which did not yet end, and yields me already now 600+ prestige from boiler 2 without gears, which I actually use on units.

[pac230]

Originally posted by ☺ TLM ☺:

I see your magic powder explaination makes sense, thank you for your efforts.
I thought that Boiler A makes just no sense to use and so I changed my mind and aimed to using boiler B for better results, but it is not that much difference. Aren't there any other Boilers that come up later ?

I think that there is a third one, but I haven't seen it yet.

[Mopman43]

In my experience at least, I haven't used Boiler B in ages. The extra waste you can get from Boiler A (after you get a level or two in the right contract) is invaluable.

Basically, the big thing is being able to get 3 million waste so that you can get all the Mavka you need to get Dagon without doing the Swamp Ritual. All the waste after that goes into more Dagon.

While Boiler B does technically give me a bit more prestige, Boiler A is the reason my next run gets over 1,000 Hell Ash instead of around 600.

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I just need to wait until I have 200 tokens and 1 more gear to blow up boiler B and get over 1250 prestige.

Probably will get enough to buy a few of the cheaper contratcs too after rebirth, so I basically just need to wait 10 more days to finish my second rebirth with my 5th gear and get the additional 1,5 X prestige from the boiler option. Meanwhile I just try to get as many gems as possible.

Before ending this rebirth, I will probably take Aegis of the Plague and stack me some waste for the next rebirths.

Not sure how efficient my strategy is, but it is less annoying than rebirthing all the time and hitting walls I guess, at least for now.

[pac230]

Originally posted by ☺ TLM ☺:

Before ending this rebirth, I will probably take Aegis of the Plague and stack me some waste for the next rebirths.

Waste does not carry over between rebirths. If you want bonus Waste in the next rebirth, you can only get it by doing a Gems reset.

10 days is a very, very slow rebirth. :( I know that doing rebirths as fast as possible, while most efficient, is very annoying (when this is meant to be an idle game), but I would suggest doing about 3 rebirths per day, 1 each of Gems, Souls, Raw Mana, as a compromise.

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Originally posted by pac230:

Waste does not carry over between rebirths.

Oh well then it would be waste to try :D
Thx m8

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One more question, does anyone know, what the spell "Animal Instincts" exactly does, it is on the second page of the Warlocks spellbook. I do not see any Hell Ashes multiplier, does it actually mean, I get instead of one Hellash 666 Hellashes ? I can not believe that this is the case, so what does it actually do instead ?

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Originally posted by ☺ TLM ☺:

One more question, does anyone know, what the spell "Animal Instincts" exactly does, it is on the second page of the Warlocks spellbook. I do not see any Hell Ashes multiplier, does it actually mean, I get instead of one Hellash 666 Hellashes ? I can not believe that this is the case, so what does it actually do instead ?

Demon Contract H gives a multiplier of 1% (x1.01) for demons per unit of hell ashes (with higher levels doing the same for souls/undead, etc.).

The Animal Instincts spell increases this multiplier by x666, but also costs 666 hell ash.

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Ohh thx m8.

[Amelio]

what happens when your souls go to 0?

[Sniper-Joe]

Originally posted by Amelio:

what happens when your souls go to 0?

Your souls are zero, and the screen grays out. Since your souls are zero, you can't buy anything that takes souls. Note, spells reset on any of the restarts.

[Gene]

3rd page has Ouroboros, when you restart, you keep your units (42 hour cooldown). When you first get it, it'll likely be from using Break the Bond. The second time you do an Ouroboros restart, you could make use of Aegis of the Plague to create a good number of Drowners and maybe push up to the next one. You then restart, and Ouroboros will keep them and you now have a large Raw Mana income.

Animal Instincts is for later, when you have a few THOUSAND hell ash at least. Gift from the Chest (Drowner contract) causes your hell ash bonus to effect Warlocks (but you need to unlock Lilith that post-Drowner reset run). It is a MASSIVE increase to your warlocks, but when you first gain access to Animal Instincts, it's not THAT great, and is a massive detriment if you go for a Demon reset.