Heroes of Might & Magic V: Tribes of the East

Heroes of Might & Magic V: Tribes of the East

What determines the draw of skills and abilities??
My dilema! My L26 Demonlord Nymus, Has Expert Enlightenment, Expert Dark, Expert Logistics, Expert Att, Expert Luck, Expert Gating! All 6 skill levels Expert. From that, also has Magic Resistance, Soldiers Luck, Swarm Gate, Pathfinding, Master Pain, Suffering Strike, and Corrupted Soil. Nothing on Enlightenment so far.
I have most what I need to, still need Consuming Corpse. Everything else needed to gain, and still looking for; Swift Gating, Teleport Assault, Excruciating Strike, Flaming Arrows, for the Ultimate Urgash call.

HOWEVER, upon recent victory in battle, the Left selection of the Skill upgrade is now Empty, and the right so far keeps offering Tactics and or Death March. Neither lead to Urgash Call, and will mess up any chance of what I need. So i keep reloading to try again, hoping a reload will reset the dice. I got the same options twice in row, after defeating some Neutrals?! So?? Why is it not offering me what I want? Is it just a chance calculation, i just need keep trying it repeatedly, and it continues to give me random rolls? or am I missing something??

According to the Skillwheel 3.0, with Demonlord Nymus selected, and the Ultimate Skill Urgash's Call, it preselects the 3 abilities it requires, and therefore shows you the path needed for each, along the Logistics, Dark and Attack trees. Luck and Enlightement were just extra. For Urgash's Call, besides the 3 Race skills from Gating, Hellfire, Mark of Damn, Consume Corpse, the ultimate also requires Teleport assault, Corrupt Soil, and Flaming Arrows, which each have their own requirements in their tree.

I'm stuck at a point, all it's offering me is Tactics and Warpath, which as I mentioned, neither lead to what I want, so both will mess up my chance of getting what I need in game.
Please help? What I do wrong? What I miss? What can change the Random dice roll??

Thanks.
Ursprungligen skrivet av DigginTiger:
Didn't read the end of your post but from seeing the first picture, what you need is "consume corpse". You will also need at least 6 more levels to reach your goal, which is pretty much impossible, unless you can put your hands on tons and tons of xp.
When trying to get ultimate abilities you need to NOT invest points into unrequired skills unless you have no choice at all,
and you will also want to unlock special factions skills such as consume corpse, mark of the damed etc as soon as possible since they are required for other abilities to pop up.

If you want my opinion you have invested to many points into luck and enlightment too early..

Hope that helps a bit
have fun
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Skillwheel
Objectives to get to his Ultimate skill, Urgash Call, needing those shown in Attack, Dark, and Logistics!
Enlightenment and Luck were extra!"
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2842696400

Skills
"Showing screenshot of Nymus,
Level 26 Demonlord, and his Skills. All expert levels, 3 leading towards Urgash's Call."
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2842697935

Abilities
"Showing L26 Nymus and his current abilities,
These are what I've chosen so far. Some are those required seen on the Skill wheel shown, needed for Urgash's Call, the Ultimate Ability. Nothing seen here is hindering the opportunity for Urgash's Call, as seen here."
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2842698821

L27 Options
"Here is Nymus after a battle, with options for Level 27!
Notice the two options shown, are not mentioned on the skillwheel for Urgash's Call?
Hense, my troubles!!"
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2842699516

So to summarize all that... as I mentioned in the original posting, I'm trying to figure out why I can't get Urgash's Call, his Ultimate ability! If anyone knows, please help? I don't see anything I have hindering my progress toward's Urgash's call. Though I'm still missing a few steps along the way, none of those are being shown here, in fact taking either of these options will hinder my ability to gain his Ultimate, and therefore I do not wish to choose either of these.
AND NO, it's not too late, despite showing the selection screen for L27!? I have a save point just before the fight that got me to that L27 option. So. I exit without saving, in order to find a solution, and i keep trying.

I HAVE reloaded that save file about 5 or 6 times now, and I've gone through the battle each time the same basic way, and every time, i've had those same two options. I was hoping at least once, it would show me something else, even if not what I wanted, so I can see it is random! I don't know what else to do!?
Senast ändrad av americanman_4_life; 30 jul, 2022 @ 20:13
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DigginTiger 31 jul, 2022 @ 21:02 
Didn't read the end of your post but from seeing the first picture, what you need is "consume corpse". You will also need at least 6 more levels to reach your goal, which is pretty much impossible, unless you can put your hands on tons and tons of xp.
When trying to get ultimate abilities you need to NOT invest points into unrequired skills unless you have no choice at all,
and you will also want to unlock special factions skills such as consume corpse, mark of the damed etc as soon as possible since they are required for other abilities to pop up.

If you want my opinion you have invested to many points into luck and enlightment too early..

Hope that helps a bit
have fun
Thanks. I think! :steamfacepalm::steammocking:
Anyway, I did kind of conclude the same thing! It's a RMG, so I don't think their is a limit to hero size, according to level! I eventually concluded that I rushed Enlightenment and Luck, neither having anything to do with the Ultimate Urgash Call. At that point I realized I was still 6 or 7 levels shy of Urgash call, but cause I never got Consume Corpse upto that point, it was too high a chance to reach everything I needed, and it went with the two most likely choices, those mentioned.
I even had a long discussion with someone in Homm group on discord, another H5 fan, about wether or not the entire game is Lucky chance, or predisposed actions. We came to agree to disagree, but settled on a mutual understanding that at the beginning of the game everything is decided random code generated, from than forward, no matter what you do, all the responses are predisposed according to your actions! So, it's both, Random, and predisposed! sorta! I think! lol! Now i'm just rambling!! :steammocking::steamhappy:

The reason I couldn't settle on anything less than that, cause after 6+ reloads of the same SAVE prior to gaining L27, the hero always had the same two options, so my argument was if random, at some point during those reloads, I should of gotten a different option, even if something i didn't want, I should of seen something different. She clarified, that the game is generated using random code at the beginning, and everything happens from that code, so that was when I proposed that "Mutual agreement!"

Anyway, another friend pointed out... IF my map is an RMG, I should find somewhere along the way, a building to retrain skills... Something about a magic carpet, which I've seen before in other games! So... I'm hopeful I'll get what I want eventually! OR just win the game! :steamhappy:

All that to say... Thanks!
Yes, I ramble!
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