Dumb question about farming

[Cigaretteofdeath]

What is farming even for? I read the wiki but i have no idea what i get from it to progress in the game. I see i can get liek "healthy potatoes" but what are they for? It wasnt well explained to me yet . Do i earn like potatoes to spend on make the farmer stronger?

[Huillam]

In the 4th shop tab are various upgrades that give bonus to the main game.

[Zeustiak]

Yeah page 4 has some nice stuff in it. Free item enhancement levels, an expedition slot, increased minimum item rarity, better conversion rate for materials, and increased pet chance. You can get all of these by 2.5e20 fries.

Then after you get 1e10 fries, the assembly lines unlock where you use protein to get bonuses to most of the rest of the game stats. The assembly lines are going to take some time to work on because there are a lot of unlocks there.

[RudoReels]

It's just another convoluted 'numbers go up' mechanic. Plant the small potatoes, harvest. unlock next plot, next plant. next plant gives you potatoes. each higher plant gives you plants of the tier below it, so ideally you want as much of the highest crops possible as they ultimately generate the most potatoes. You'll eventually get fries which are a prestige currency (just for farming.) And you can unlock automatic harvesting.

This game was good until they added cards (maybe prior, with pets, actually) and it's just been an utterly contrived mess since.

[Cigaretteofdeath]

Originally posted by RudoReels:

It's just another convoluted 'numbers go up' mechanic. Plant the small potatoes, harvest. unlock next plot, next plant. next plant gives you potatoes. each higher plant gives you plants of the tier below it, so ideally you want as much of the highest crops possible as they ultimately generate the most potatoes. You'll eventually get fries which are a prestige currency (just for farming.) And you can unlock automatic harvesting.

This game was good until they added cards (maybe prior, with pets, actually) and it's just been an utterly contrived mess since.

I mean you have kind of a short explanation at the beginning but everything else is so messy somehow. On the first glance there is no reason at all to bother with the garden. Also stats like dodging or crit chance are so weirdly calculated and poorly explained. I still really like the game but i have the feeling it could be a bit more accessible without the need to open up a guide or the wiki.

[Zeustiak]

Honestly for me, pets are the biggest mess right now. The team set bonuses that aren't obvious in-game, the need to rotate expeditions, getting new pets but not wanting to do all of the math and spreadsheet checking required to figure out new lineups, etc. Lots of room for quality of life improvements with this system.

Cards are only a mess for the first week after you ascend, because anything you pump actually lowers your stats in the moment. Otherwise you just pump card that would give you the highest stat boost a couple times a day. There isn't a lot to figure out there, at least no more than say the reincarnation shop. You can always be more efficient, but for me I just look for a 10-20% boost when I pump and just take whatever it is. Actually these days I am starting to see boosts as high as 50% since I got the double card unlock, so that is nice.

Farming is likewise pretty straightforward, especially after you automate the farms and the first shop auto-buy option. No spreadsheets needed, just farm the best plant while still boosting your multipliers on the other plants, and rotate the grasshoppers around. Then decide which assembly line to focus on, which for me is just assembly line 1 to speed up farming in general which gets you more protein to push through the assembly lines faster.

[marleau.martin]

i never used a guide and all theses things help me a lot they give bonus to base games

you just need to study a little bit new feature when they unlock...i hope they will implant mroe system in game like that

[RudoReels]

I think too many games of this type just add new mechanics for the sake of it and don't do a good enough job of trying to make the numbers mean anything. I mean, I get that it all ties back to stats and helping you push further but it feels less and less rewarding. Cards are just kind of 'there' beyond upgrading them which just serves as another "don't forget to log in daily" motivator, except the motivation isn't balanced with something that feels gratifying.

In a similar sense it feels rewarding to collect the pets, but most of them just sit there never getting used because you don't really want to sacrifice leveling up the main ones. Not to mention if you use the 'wrong' pets your expeditions get screwed up, and if you send the wrong pets on expeditions, everything else gets screwed up. And expeditions don't feel rewarding, it's just an extra thing to click for a stat boost that doesn't really feel gratifying in any way.

Also, really sucks that idle progress caps out at 24 hours. So much for being an idle...

[xaviersxmen]

Your mean off-line cap? Its not idling if you are not on the game.

[RudoReels]

I mean...i guess. point still stands

[Grim Revan]

So within 2 weeks you can unlock 2 ascension points. For me in A5, that is huge! Other than that it trickles in with increasing gear rarity and increasing pet find % by a significant rate. I have also unlocked protein farming and that started boosting regular potato drops. I'm sure a lot more will be boosted soon. Closing in on A6, so my Ascension point options will be much better soon.

[marleau.martin]

you will need to swap a lot pets before a15 to get bonus ( residute, gear, farm, worm and milk ones)so you will use lot of them
card gives one of the best bonuses whit times
Farming give lot of thing, better stuff dropped, ascension points and a little bit later potatoes, xp, confection and other bonus i didint have unlock yet
So you just not have played enought the game to know what it all gives

[RudoReels]

"Convoluted" doesn't automatically mean it's confusing or you need a guide, fwiw.

[DeaderSurvival]

Originally posted by RudoReels:

"Convoluted" doesn't automatically mean it's confusing or you need a guide, fwiw.

I mean, convoluted literally does mean "confusing".
To be specific, it means "extremely complex or difficult to follow", and most people tend to get confused with anything that falls in the category.

That being said, based on what you've said, I feel like idle games are just... not your thing. Most of your complaints are about how "satisfying" things are. Which is a subjective complaint, and valid, but I feel like if you have _this_ much animosity, it might be a good time to re-evaluate why you play.

[RudoReels]

Calling something needlessly complex doesn’t at all insinuate I don’t understand it. Lol

I don’t have any “animosity” towards the game, I just don’t enjoy the new additions. what are you even on about? The majority of my gaming these days is idle games.

Any perceived “animosity” would be towards people who make comments like this, trying to twist peoples’ words. But thank you for calling my need to feel satisfied by playing a game “valid,” I feel so heard. 🤔

[DeaderSurvival]

Originally posted by RudoReels:

Calling something needlessly complex doesn’t at all insinuate I don’t understand it. Lol

I don’t have any “animosity” towards the game, I just don’t enjoy the new additions. what are you even on about? The majority of my gaming these days is idle games.

Any perceived “animosity” would be towards people who make comments like this, trying to twist peoples’ words. But thank you for calling my need to feel satisfied by playing a game “valid,” I feel so heard. 🤔

You're right, what insinuates that you don't understand it is your confusion on "idle vs offline" and the fact that you don't understand that ANYTHING is going to feel "less rewarding" if you already have a lot of it. Combine that with the (very needed) diminishing returns and you have the point of adding new mechanics; the very thing you're complaining about. So... you know, your argument goes against itself.

You have plenty of animosity, since you're complaining this much in response to a legitimate question, and especially so with how much your argument goes against itself (the point I made above isn't the only time you have done it. And you're clearly not enjoying those idle games if you're complaining about "issues" that every idle game has out of necessity.

I have not twisted a word you said. And I called your subjective complaint of not being satisfied valid, because it is. Not everyone is going to be satisfied by the same thing. And considering your arguments are contrarian to themselves and apply to the entire genre, it sounds like you're just not satisfied by idle games which is valid. Being THIS hostile because YOU have an issue with the genre is not, especially not _HERE_ in a thread of someone needing help.