banned in the game

[datasetmining]

Hello!
Please delete me from ban for multiplayer, i start game from zero.

[xaviersxmen]

Why would they let a cheater back in PPT?

[Millertyme]

LOL, banned in an Idle game, LOL
OP: Hi mods you banned me on X day cause I was cheating, can you lift my ban so I can cheat again in the multiplayer version of the game?

[Oninou]

I always give a 2nd chance, there is basically no way to cheat in the multiplayer as everything is held on the server
And if you cheat again, you automatically get banned and i wont remove it

[Millertyme]

Nicest Dev I have ever SEEN! Don't blow it OP :)

[Moggosh [GER]]

There ist nothing i hate more than cheaters and criminals

[datasetmining]

Originally posted by Oninou:

I always give a 2nd chance, there is basically no way to cheat in the multiplayer as everything is held on the server
And if you cheat again, you automatically get banned and i wont remove it

thanks!
I cheat before multiplayer was! i just want to see end game!) i like this game - i donate a lot to you) thanks!

[xaviersxmen]

Joy now another cheater for multiplayer. Cheaters shouldnt be aloud to have another chance. I mean devs you think the cheating was an accident?

[Oninou]

Originally posted by xaviersxmen:

Joy now another cheater for multiplayer. Cheaters shouldnt be aloud to have another chance. I mean devs you think the cheating was an accident?

Many people cheat their way to see the whole game, this is way i give a 2nd chance, i dont give 30 chance, i dont have time for that, but a 2nd is fine and anyway if they cheat they get banned again >.<

[xaviersxmen]

Wow sounds like you even condone cheating on the single part. Meaning they cheated to get achievements to complete the game. You might as well have a button that people push to give all the achievements if they can just cheat for them.

[adeyke]

If someone cheats at a single player game, that doesn't affect others at all. The worst it can do is to ruin their enjoyment of the game, but that's their own loss. Even if someone completely skipped playing the game and just instantly unlocked the achievements, that still wouldn't hurt anyone else.

Now, the game does have leaderboards, And people who want to cheat should definitely opt out of it. It's inconsiderate to mess with those rankings. I say inconsiderate because the leaderboard is opt-out instead of opt-in. If it were opt-in, and if there were a explicit list of rules for what is and isn't allowed, then actively choosing to be on the leaderboard while knowingly violating the rules would be malicious.

What I strongly object to, however, is the idea that someone who cheats in a single-player game is an objectively bad person who will definitely also cheat in multiplayer. The world isn't neatly divided into cheaters and non-cheaters. There are disagreements about what constitutes cheating and what doesn't, and people can apply different standards to different situations.

And if, as Oninou said above, everything in multiplayer is serverside and cheating is impossible, then it doesn't even matter how willing someone would be to cheat.

[xaviersxmen]

Yeah I dont think being able to cheat on a single player game to get Achievements is right. I mean they show off completed games against friends and others so that makes it kind of multiplayer orientated.

[adeyke]

That depends entirely on what "show off" means.

If they actually tell people they earned the achievement legitimately, when they really just cheated, that's lying. And if you're the one being lied to, it's fair to be upset at that. But then, the cheating isn't the relevant part. If someone says they earned the achievements without looking at a guide, when they actually did look at a guide, that's just as much a lie. That doesn't mean that it's morally wrong to use guides. The same goes for someone saying they earned the achievements in hard mode when they actually used easy mode or someone saying they beat a game with a controller when they actually used mouse and keyboard (or vice versa). The problem is with the lying, not the thing being lied about.

And if they sign up to an achievement-tracking site, they may be violating the rules of that site. It's fair to be banned from the site for that. If a group of people all agree to follow certain rules, then violating those rules isn't fair to the other people in that group.

However, if they do neither of those and just happen to have the achievements unlocked, that's different. It's not their fault if someone decides to look at their profile and draws false conclusions from it. In the absence of clearly-defined and universally-enforced rules, there isn't any reasonable expectation about how any particular player earned their achievements.

[xaviersxmen]

Whatever! I work hard for my idle completions and from the looks of it so do you but for someone to be able to hack to get them the easy way is an insult. Amazing how you dont see it that way.

Edit: Never mind I see you are one of them so of course you would mind. I mean you have games with hundreds of Achievements you got in minutes. Now I understand why you dont care if someone else cheats.

[adeyke]

I think you should interrogate why you find that to be "an insult". How, specifically, does it even affect you? If it's not someone in your social circle or someone with a public reputation, but just some stranger, what does it matter to you how they play?

But also, there's that "easy way". That could mean so many different things. If you earned an achievement and are proud of overcoming the challenge to do so, and you notice someone else also has that achievement, that could mean (depending on the game in question):

• They did the same as you and are also proud of overcoming the challenge.
  
• They hacked the achievement without actually playing the game.
  
• They played the game but used third-party software to cheat.
  
• They found a smarter way to approach it that wasn't actually a challenge at all.
  
• They used in-game difficulty options to make it easier to get.
  
• They used in-game features like level grinding or co-op to make it easier to get.
  
• They used in-game cheat codes to make it easier to get.
  
• They looked up a guide, walkthrough, or video playthrough to figure out how to get it.
  
• They asked for advice on how to get it.
  
• They got unprompted advice on how to get it.
  
• They were playing with a mod that happened to make it easier to get.
  
• They were playing with a mod specifically designed to make it easier to get.
  
• They were playing an older (or newer) version that made it easier to get.
  
• They (knowingly or unknowingly) benefited from a bug that made it easier to get.
  
• etc.

There's just no way of telling how impressed you should be by it.

But also, looking at strangers' profiles and judging them (positively or negatively) based on what achievements they've unlocked is pretty weird behavior.

[Dragon]

Why does everyone ignore the Dev!? it's their game anyways. it's their own prerogative to determine what is right or wrong with their game! he even posted his ideology on how he controls it.

Side note: i think all achievements/leader-boards should be disabled if the base game is modified without the devs consent. But that is a personal opinion.