super poop or skull take away?

[wolfwingtube]

Wich is better to get with the two ascenion points I will have after my first ascension? Or a different I'm kinda 50/50 on eitehr. And since it may take 2 ascensons to get other it be a while before I can.

Skull has same benefits as potato wich I got first time and really like, but super poop would make leveling up with poop so much easier. Both look good. Though can imagine reincarnation exp faster with super poop.

[wolfwingtube]

or would immortal be good then super?

[Ancoros]

both immortal ascension perks are completly useless
if you want the "meta" way take skull take away
for next ascensions take
faster milking or potato + skull take away;
faster milking + potato
faster milking + skull
faster milkting+ potato + skull
faster milkting+ potato + skull+ faster breeding
faster milkting+ potato + skull+ faster breeding + head scratcher etc
on discord or the wiki you can find guides and posts thats go deeper
but most importantly play as you like and have fun^^
cheers

[wolfwingtube]

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[muljostpho]

Huh, I never looked up any tips on what would have been more efficient and just did whatever random things made sense to me along the way but faster milking is one that I still have yet to activate and I'm in A29. That'll probably be my next one (although I can't afford it until I'm in A31) unless something that unlocks in A30 looks so much better than faster milking, outpost pity, and miner upgrade take away (only three right now which I have unlocked but not activated) that I feel it necessary to jump ahead to one of the new unlocks next instead. And I'm not even sold on faster milking being worth it yet when I reach A31. It's always felt like one of the lamer options in there, in my opinion. Won't reach max reduction until reincarnation level is over 5 million and I'm at about 427k right now. (lol, even the faster breeding option that's second on the list... I do have it activated but that one doesn't reach its max reduction until reincarnation level is over 1 million. Did that one only cost one point? That's probably the only reason I did fill it in at some point and haven't left it out. I don't know, I look at both faster breeding and faster milking and I say "okay, whatever".)

Does the advice for efficient play really say to prioritize faster milking through most of the earliest ascensions? (How early did it even unlock? It's not even close to the top of the list. It's tenth! I know that some of the options further down the list than that one unlocked at A25 and A20, so surely that one must unlock at something like A15 or A10?)

Anyway...

Originally posted by wolfwingtube:

whats wrong with poop?

Probably a question of how much of the game it can impact compared to the other options, I'd guess. With immortal poop and super poop you're affecting... well, there are a total of 16 bonuses in that feature. But I think in the earliest ascensions you only have access to 8 or 9 of them? They all unlock based on which ascension you're in, don't they? With potato take away or skull take away... total of 19 bonuses in potatoes and total of 28 bonuses in skulls. I don't remember how many of those weren't available yet in earlier ascensions though. Those are all gated by what areas you can reach, right?

I thought it was a nice QoL upgrade too when I was earlier in the game. I don't remember if I prioritized it over potatoes and skulls (I'm thinking that I probably didn't), but I'm pretty sure I didn't dismiss it as an option either.

[wolfwingtube]

Originally posted by muljostpho:

Huh, I never looked up any tips on what would have been more efficient and just did whatever random things made sense to me along the way but faster milking is one that I still have yet to activate and I'm in A29. That'll probably be my next one (although I can't afford it until I'm in A31) unless something that unlocks in A30 looks so much better than faster milking, outpost pity, and miner upgrade take away (only three right now which I have unlocked but not activated) that I feel it necessary to jump ahead to one of the new unlocks next instead. And I'm not even sold on faster milking being worth it yet when I reach A31. It's always felt like one of the lamer options in there, in my opinion. Won't reach max reduction until reincarnation level is over 5 million and I'm at about 427k right now. (lol, even the faster breeding option that's second on the list... I do have it activated but that one doesn't reach its max reduction until reincarnation level is over 1 million. Did that one only cost one point? That's probably the only reason I did fill it in at some point and haven't left it out. I don't know, I look at both faster breeding and faster milking and I say "okay, whatever".)

Does the advice for efficient play really say to prioritize faster milking through most of the earliest ascensions? (How early did it even unlock? It's not even close to the top of the list. It's tenth!)

Anyway...

Originally posted by wolfwingtube:

whats wrong with poop?

Probably a question of how much of the game it can impact compared to the other options, I'd guess. With immortal poop and super poop you're affecting... well, there are a total of 16 bonuses in that feature. But I think in the earliest ascensions you only have access to 8 or 9 of them? They all unlock based on which ascension you're in, don't they? With potato take away or skull take away... total of 19 bonuses in potatoes and total of 28 bonuses in skulls. I don't remember how many of those weren't available yet in earlier ascensions though. Those are all gated by what areas you can reach, right?

part of my thinking about poop is part of your reincarnation points are based upon the confection levels, and both would give you the ability to get the exp faster, allowing ou to reach the nex ascension quicker, least in theory.

[wolfwingtube]

Just to point out my first point went into potato take away and have an extra one, so have enough for one of the 2 point bonuses.

[Ancoros]

Originally posted by muljostpho:

Does the advice for efficient play really say to prioritize faster milking through most of the earliest ascensions? (How early did it even unlock? It's not even close to the top of the list. It's tenth! I know that some of the options further down the list than that one unlocked at A25 and A20, so surely that one must unlock at something like A15 or A10?)

you can get faster milking as early as you have 3 ascension points,so probably A2 with
1 point from gardening.
i am only at A9 but Faster Milking reduces the Milk timer to 9.9 sec, which is 3 times faster so more Milk and Residue. I wouldnt trade it with an other perk.

Originally posted by wolfwingtube:

part of my thinking about poop is part of your reincarnation points are based upon the confection levels, and both would give you the ability to get the exp faster, allowing ou to reach the nex ascension quicker, least in theory.

that was my thinkinng at first too, but that whole confection section isnt scaling really well. it gives you some nice extra stats but everything else is just scaling better. super poop is a nice QoL upgrade so you dont have to put in poop everytime you reincarnate.

[muljostpho]

Huh, how things change, I guess. The farm feature didn't exist yet when I was that early in the game. Between that and however many restructures there have been to what bonuses are granted by each ascension and however many of the ascension perks were added in over time, I didn't have a clear picture of what the progression should look like now for newer players. In my mind it just didn't sound right for anything more than the first... I don't know, 5-7 maybe? For more than the first half dozen of the perks to have been options during the first few ascensions.

[wolfwingtube]

Originally posted by muljostpho:

Huh, how things change, I guess. The farm feature didn't exist yet when I was that early in the game. Between that and however many restructures there have been to what bonuses are granted by each ascension and however many of the ascension perks were added in over time, I didn't have a clear picture of what the progression should look like now for newer players. In my mind it just didn't sound right for anything more than the first... I don't know, 5-7 maybe? For more than the first half dozen of the perks to have been options during the first few ascensions.

it's hard to say, you could be right and it's a bad choice, but my way of thinking like I said is, since 1/4 or so fo the reincarnation points comes from confection levels, it might allow for a faster rebith. PLUS if I get the immortal one I can do a couple of quick runs for worms, then just get all the points in reincarnation but still benefit from high confection levels for points.

[adeyke]

The issue with confection is that it scales really poorly. There are two categories of confection: attack/hp and everything else. Attack/hp costs increase linearly, so you'll quickly reach a point where they're just permanently speed-capped. They'll just gain a fixed number of levels per second and nothing you do can increase that. Everything else, however, scales exponentially. What this means is that multiplying your poop, larva quantity, larva efficiency, confection exp bonus, or time spent in a reincarnation will result in adding some number of levels to the confections. Just to give an example of how weak it is, looking at my current milk bonus, I get e745 from pets, e677 from equipment, e1574 from expeditions, e556 from cards, and e105 from infinity corner, but only e7 from confection.

The ascension perks in particular are also really weak. In terms of power, all super poop does is multiply your poop by up to 16. That's not a lot. The reason you'd want to take it is as a QoL feature to just never need to bother with poop distribution again. The semi-immortal poop is also a lot less powerful than it sounds. It can give a nice boost at the very start of a reincarnation, but this value quickly drops off. In part, this is due to the scaling described above. However, you'll also be gaining poop drop rate over the course of the reincarnation, so the amount you have saved from the last reincarnation becomes insignificant compared to what you're gaining now.

As for the contribution to reincarnation exp, that's really, really insignificant. I don't know exactly how it scales, but right now, my reincarnation pages lists 1.73e10 confection levels and that gives only a 7.88 multiplier to reincarnation exp. The confection levels are already based on the log of confection speed, and it seems the reincarnation exp multiplier is then based on the log of the confection levels.

[wolfwingtube]

Originally posted by adeyke:

The issue with confection is that it scales really poorly. There are two categories of confection: attack/hp and everything else. Attack/hp costs increase linearly, so you'll quickly reach a point where they're just permanently speed-capped. They'll just gain a fixed number of levels per second and nothing you do can increase that. Everything else, however, scales exponentially. What this means is that multiplying your poop, larva quantity, larva efficiency, confection exp bonus, or time spent in a reincarnation will result in adding some number of levels to the confections. Just to give an example of how weak it is, looking at my current milk bonus, I get e745 from pets, e677 from equipment, e1574 from expeditions, e556 from cards, and e105 from infinity corner, but only e7 from confection.

The ascension perks in particular are also really weak. In terms of power, all super poop does is multiply your poop by up to 16. That's not a lot. The reason you'd want to take it is as a QoL feature to just never need to bother with poop distribution again. The semi-immortal poop is also a lot less powerful than it sounds. It can give a nice boost at the very start of a reincarnation, but this value quickly drops off. In part, this is due to the scaling described above. However, you'll also be gaining poop drop rate over the course of the reincarnation, so the amount you have saved from the last reincarnation becomes insignificant compared to what you're gaining now.

As for the contribution to reincarnation exp, that's really, really insignificant. I don't know exactly how it scales, but right now, my reincarnation pages lists 1.73e10 confection levels and that gives only a 7.88 multiplier to reincarnation exp. The confection levels are already based on the log of confection speed, and it seems the reincarnation exp multiplier is then based on the log of the confection levels.

Yes you would be gainign poop over the reincarnation, wich is why after you have enough RP that you can grab a ton of the worm points, you run that, since the amount you get in 1-2 run of that early middle game, make anything you get after that pale in comparison.

[adeyke]

If you just want to have a lot of worms or a lot of poop, there are ways to do that. If, however, those worms and poop are just a means to getting more powerful and progressing more quickly, I fear you'll be disappointed.

[Katamarivania]

Can anybody tell me what "Outpost Pity" does?

[adeyke]

Every time run an expedition and fail to get an outpost, your outpost finding probability increases by 0.01% (assuming 1 hour expeditions). When you do find one, this resets to your base probability. It's just a way of making it less likely that you'll get long streaks of no outposts, and effectively gives you more outposts per time.

With an upgraded base outpost probability of 2%, it would normally take an average of 50 expedition hours to get an outpost. The 0.01% pity bonus reduces this to an average of of 42.3 expedition hours. The 0.015% pity bonus from the ascension perk further reduces this to an average of 40.0 expedition hours.