cheaters

[demonmill17]

most players here are cheaters. just had an argument with 5 guys in the official discord and humiliated all 5 of them. they kept throwing curve balls and changing subject and trying to discredit me. they basically lied about me and got what they deserved. in the end i found out they used ''math'' to advance faster than other players. what they call math is a scripted bot that tells them what to buy to maximize efficiency inside the game. dont know you but for me using scripts that enhance the game speed and give u an unfair advantage are still cheating. its not like they did the math or got it from someone else. the guy literally live streamed the code for the bot and explained how he did it and mods in the official discord use these cheats and defend its use. they lied about the game having an anticheat, they lied saying i accused one of them of cheating they lied when saying they mathematically planned the game and so they lied when saying they do not use cheats. guy that developed the cheat plays the game and is not even in the top 100 so i guess that proves that all top 100 are cheaters.

[marleau.martin]

its a solo game stop crying little baby

[demonmill17]

引用自 marleau.martin：

its a solo game stop crying little baby

this is probably a cheater trying to discredit by insulting. they couldnt do the math if they wanted. they cant even have a decent argument without disrespecting so...

[demonmill17]

引用自 marleau.martin：

its a solo game stop crying little baby

still not a valid argument

[marleau.martin]

im not even in top 5K....and the person who insult others is you by treating them cheater when a lot of them just try to progrss the most effective way

[demonmill17]

引用自 marleau.martin：

im not even in top 5K....and the person who insult others is you by treating them cheater when a lot of them just try to progrss the most effective way

using scripts and programing a bot to do so is cheating

[Silberfuchs]

引用自 demonmill17：

引用自 marleau.martin：

its a solo game stop crying little baby

this is probably a cheater trying to discredit by insulting. they couldnt do the math if they wanted. they cant even have a decent argument without disrespecting so...

And your reply is equally childish.
That player has close to 5000 hours in the game, and has reached acsension 13.
If that was achieved by cheating then those cheats failed hard time.

To me those numbers appear 100% legit.

[demonmill17]

引用自 marleau.martin：

im not even in top 5K....and the person who insult others is you by treating them cheater when a lot of them just try to progrss the most effective way

and if ure not in the top 5k ure lost. u have 5k+ hours and i got 500 and am in top 3k so stop lying kid

[demonmill17]

引用自 Silberfuchs：

引用自 demonmill17：

this is probably a cheater trying to discredit by insulting. they couldnt do the math if they wanted. they cant even have a decent argument without disrespecting so...

And your reply is equally childish.
That player has close to 5000 hours in the game, and has reached acsension 13.
If that was achieved by cheating then those cheats failed hard time.

To me those numbers appear 100% legit.

so you admit he lied when he said he is not in top 5k. he came here. lied to us directly... if he was ascension 13 wich you say he is he would be at least below me as i am ascension 7 and he sais he ies not even top 5k. how can that be, im top 3k

[demonmill17]

cheaters are coming here to defend their case and straight up lying. you can see that they keep lying and trying to discredit me by insults. whenever they try argumenting or saying something other than that its clearly proven to be lies. lmaoo you are shaming yourselves

[Mezore]

引用自 demonmill17：

cheaters are coming here to defend their case and straight up lying. you can see that they keep lying and trying to discredit me by insults. whenever they try argumenting or saying something other than that its clearly proven to be lies. lmaoo you are shaming yourselves

So you didn't come here for answer or understanding but simply to complain and force your way into other. No wonder your words sounds so familiar. We are all cheater because you want us to be but if you were able to adapt your point of view, you would realize than for other, you may be one too as you do not play like "us, real player" do. Please go back to Twitter (or whatever it is), i am part of the people who come here to help other or find help, not to see some guy start some drama just to feel better :D

[demonmill17]

引用自 Mezore：

引用自 demonmill17：

cheaters are coming here to defend their case and straight up lying. you can see that they keep lying and trying to discredit me by insults. whenever they try argumenting or saying something other than that its clearly proven to be lies. lmaoo you are shaming yourselves

So you didn't come here for answer or understanding but simply to complain and force your way into other. No wonder your words sounds so familiar. We are all cheater because you want us to be but if you were able to adapt your point of view, you would realize than for other, you may be one too as you do not play like "us, real player" do. Please go back to Twitter (or whatever it is), i am part of the people who come here to help other or find help, not to see some guy start some drama just to feel better :D

never commented this on twitter, tho i dont doubt theres people complaining about you cheaters

[eXeZ|Gamer433]

引用自 Mezore：

Isn't the symbol # follower by a number a way to describe a ranking ?

Sorry, in FAPI its clearly normally, to mean # = ascension
Now your posting makes sense... and mine to you too. :D

引用自 Silberfuchs：

Using spreadsheets to figure out what to focus on is an age old practice in all idle games.[...]
Those types of players strive to find the most optimal ways to play the game legit,[...]

Nah, thats not cheating, for sure, I'm using this myself sometimes.
But I think I made it clear, that I dont mean such kind of "tools".

引用自 demonmill17：

its not just a spreadsheet. you can take a look at the guys video on ttv it is a script for a bot. its an unfair advantage over other players and if you did math for it would be sorta legal (still unfair) but its not. its a programmed software that does the math for you and tells you what to buy and when. thats 300% cheating. they said they used math instead of saying its a script because they know its cheating.

This is what I mean, where the border is between harmless tools and cheating.
For me, who has 36 years of gaming on his clock, its clearly.

引用自 Silberfuchs：

Mr. #13 after 24 days is clearly using third party software to manipulate the game data itself (a clear hack aka banworthy). As i said: that's very different to what spreadsheet warriors do.

It was #15, what makes it way more impossible.

引用自 Oninou：

A#15 in 23 days is 200% cheating, there isn't anything that could get you that far even if you play the most optimally possible

And here is the official fact about this. Thank you! Really!

[Stoic_Fish]

I think its funny that your comments literally read like you guys are responding to each other without reading anything each other is saying or any of the other comments, I really wish some of you could actually take the time to go over what is being said and understand it before commenting. half way down some guy is talking about spreadsheets are fine??? of course they are, it has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation and is just annoying. Please don't just regurgitate your immediate feelings into the threads guys. Take a minute to read and create a valid argument or response.

In my opinion if someone is using a script to automatically play the game for them, that is 100% cheating. Just look it up for any major gaming company and any of their IP's. You can not do that in any competitive game without facing a ban if your caught. end of story, it is cheating. That said, it wouldn't matter if there were no leader boards and the developers weren't advertising a competitive aspect to the game which brings in people who are interested in being the best on their own merits.

That said, the developers should either ban anyone using a script that clicks anything without them having to do it themselves, or they should remove all competitive game design to ensure that no one can compete, because if you market a system of competition than people expect you to run the competition with integrity.

[demonmill17]

引用自 Stoic_Fish：

I think its funny that your comments literally read like you guys are responding to each other without reading anything each other is saying or any of the other comments, I really wish some of you could actually take the time to go over what is being said and understand it before commenting. half way down some guy is talking about spreadsheets are fine??? of course they are, it has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation and is just annoying. Please don't just regurgitate your immediate feelings into the threads guys. Take a minute to read and create a valid argument or response.

In my opinion if someone is using a script to automatically play the game for them, that is 100% cheating. Just look it up for any major gaming company and any of their IP's. You can not do that in any competitive game without facing a ban if your caught. end of story, it is cheating. That said, it wouldn't matter if there were no leader boards and the developers weren't advertising a competitive aspect to the game which brings in people who are interested in being the best on their own merits.

That said, the developers should either ban anyone using a script that clicks anything without them having to do it themselves, or they should remove all competitive game design to ensure that no one can compete, because if you market a system of competition than people expect you to run the competition with integrity.

the only ones defending it are the ones that use it so dont worry

[Oninou]

引用自 Stoic_Fish：

I think its funny that your comments literally read like you guys are responding to each other without reading anything each other is saying or any of the other comments, I really wish some of you could actually take the time to go over what is being said and understand it before commenting. half way down some guy is talking about spreadsheets are fine??? of course they are, it has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation and is just annoying. Please don't just regurgitate your immediate feelings into the threads guys. Take a minute to read and create a valid argument or response.

In my opinion if someone is using a script to automatically play the game for them, that is 100% cheating. Just look it up for any major gaming company and any of their IP's. You can not do that in any competitive game without facing a ban if your caught. end of story, it is cheating. That said, it wouldn't matter if there were no leader boards and the developers weren't advertising a competitive aspect to the game which brings in people who are interested in being the best on their own merits.

That said, the developers should either ban anyone using a script that clicks anything without them having to do it themselves, or they should remove all competitive game design to ensure that no one can compete, because if you market a system of competition than people expect you to run the competition with integrity.

anyone caught cheating is banned, but i'm alone so i can't monitor this 24/7 (there is a soft anti cheat as well, but alone its not possible to make an anti cheat, when it fail in 100% of the AAA competitive game company)