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I agree with everything you said (take my points!) and after thinking hard on this came to the same conclusion.
Tho they could have made it better I think with a more of "melding" of the two personas, instead of sweet Yaga that we know and came to love, we now getting "replaced" by the Voice, that sometimes did not seem that mature.
I hope they explore this in a sequel a bit more because there is more to the story of the Hut, Roots and Baba Yaga, would be nice with a reversal thing.
Having Yaga as the sweet voice of "compassion/emotional" support instead the Voice in a sequel could be a intressting concept.
But it was a interesting journey!
Ooh I've never gotten an award before, thank you! Agreed, i'm gonna miss our sweet Yaga. She was a great character. I like to think those immature moments of the Voice can sorta serve as proof that no matter what Yaga is still a part of Baba Yaga, even after Baba Yaga comes to the forefront. If they do revisit this world in a sequel (which I hope they do, there's a lot of potential with this world and characters), it would be cool to have her incorporated somehow like that.
Yaga is, in fact, the mask desperate to find a Voice for herself. Yaga tries for years to blend in with the rest of the ppl from the village but sistematically fails to do so bc she is different and yet uncapable of embracing her unicity bc she never received guidance (the foundling thing). Hence, she wears a mask (or more precisely, she becomes the mask) while trying to figure out her true nature (bad or good). The ending shows how the common understanding of "bad" or "good" labels have little meaning. The whole journey of Yaga is about freeing her true self, the wild, ancient part of herself (Voice) a part that she has stifled her entire life just to please those around her (with very poor outcomes).
"Women who run with the wolves" is a wonderful book by Clarissa Pinkola Estes that explains beautifully legends and stories about the journey of young women toward adulthood . Baba Yaga is one of the most astonishing. And I think this game did an amazing job with this particular version of the story. I r loved it.
Nah, don't explain how the "prick" started everything.
Don't explain her friends, don't explain Sora, "Baba" is just a nickname to a demon that was created by the roots infesting her mother.
I think wodahsmai22 was more right in his theory.
Problem with stories like this in a game is the to much symbolism, what is "true" and what is just a metaphor for something,
You never get to understand "when" she started to use the mask and I remember one of the children say something about a mark on Yagas face that could explain why she "needs" it on.
She could NOT have been the mask based on the things we know from this game!
Remember, it did break, got stolen and the "body" was still Yaga then, not the Voice.
And still people seem to miss the important parts about lazy writing in this game, what happened to the roots, what really happened to Sora, what happened to the hut and what was that ending scene with all those dead things?
To much is not explained for the ending to really feel like a real ending.
We can only hope the devs say something about this or hope we get a sequel.
Considering she is so young and innocent, it was needed for them to create a mentor to guide her. "The Voice" guided her, interacted with her, teached her, explained to her everything that Guardian need to know, so she would be ready when time is right.
I believe The Hut also viped all her memories in order to create this cycle of "learning bit by bit" to not hurt the kid prematurely. That's also why "The Voice" keep on telling that Yaga is not ready. Very nice of her.
It make sense why Blacktail (i believe that's the real name of a Black Cat) ignored her while she was a young and naive during the start of story and only ever spoke with "The Voice", right until Yaga started growing up and overcoming trauma to become a Guardian.
In other words, "The Voice" is just what Blacktail expecting from Yaga when she will be mature. The Voice is Yaga's mirrored more matured personality that was created by The Hut to mentor her in hardest time. The Hut needs a Guardian that will protect lands from roots. So "The Voice" is what The Hut and Blacktail expected of Yaga. But it was also important not to overshadow Yaga by "The Voice", so she wouldn't became The Voice, and was able to pass this process. After all, she is the last known blood of Guardians. The Hut had only one chance to get her Guardian.
In the end Yaga embraced herself and said farewell to her young, naive nature that Yaga was. She became a Guardian known as Baba Yaga. By being probably the youngest in generations of them all.
The entire story apparently is a ritual of maturnity created by The Hut and Blacktail for Yaga to become a youngest Guardian yet. Even mask was part of this.
The folklor about her is very focused on duality as well. I see that in this game duality is everywhere. In the story, in characters, in gameplay, in karma system, the masks. Well done.
Here have some points!
Interesting take on it, I don't think she became "Baba" Yaga tho, Baba was the name of her mothers corrupted ghost.
Only time we even see those names together is by finishing the game.
We have to go with what we know from the game, that's what most people base the story on, not what you read about the folklore.
I do agree that they are the same person, Yaga and Voice in some strange way but we need a clear explanation in how this works.
Yaga clearly remembers a lot of stuff from her younger days, about friends and living with them, seems like years of interacting with them. So when would this "mind wipe" had happened, was it only a part of her memory's?
Because I don't remember any "big" holes in her memory's, some details she don't remember but that could be because of the trauma she had when she was a kid.
To many questions....
Hope devs speaks about this
If you find all 4 rats in the minigame with Blacktail, they can confirm that Blacktail is an entity of immensly greater meaning for balance of reality and world safety. A sort of a godlike entity that was created long before everything else and tricked both Veles and Perun. It is implied that Blacktail and The Hut are together since the begining of times. And they are interested of Yaga because she is the last kid of Gordana, which was the last known Guardian, and since Gordana was possesed by the roots.. only another force like herself can stop it. Her own blood. It seems even Blacktail have his limits just as much as The Hut. Guardian is what make them whole. Without Guardian they are just tools without meaning.
I am guessing that Zora didn't survived the ritual of initiation and possesed Gordana killed her. There have to be some reason why story was so focused on the fact she is a twin sister. Zora was more mature than Yaga, more brave, more.. suitable to role of Guardian, isn't she? For awhile i was thinking that maybe "The Voice" was Zora after all. But there might be more truth to this in fact. If Zora didn't survived the ritual and possesed Gordana killed her, The Hut needed to create a mentor for Yaga, and you can't find a better way to do so, unless using Zora's memories and personality to create "The Voice".
Zora wasn't killed by Yaga. She was killed by possesed Gordana. It was an accident.
One could've say it's a lasy writing. But it really isn't. We wouldn't be here if it was the case. Obviously..
Not all questions need an answer..
Well for a story to be great there should be no "lose ends", I agree with what you said about answers but...
Zora was NOT killed by Gordana, the game say only it was a "random accident", we can only interpret that as they say it. To say that Baba killed her is pure speculation.
They did not explain anything about what happened after the Voice and Yaga merged, like I said in a previous post, roots, all dead things etc... could be a opening for a Sequel!
I was hoping Gordana would speak to her children that she loved and sacrificed so much for at lest when you defeated Baba, not there was nothing...
This game ending kinda felt like Mass Effect ending or lets put it like Lord of the Rings: Frodo sets out to mountdoom, gets there and lose the ring... The End!
Not all questions needs an answer but a journey needs a ending or the journey continues.
I'm hoping the journey continues in "Blacktail 2: Baba Yaga"
I mean...
Meow. Meow.
Meow"
Baba Gordana was killed by villagers, who then adopted the twins. Her soul was not at rest, but didn't get root-corrupted until Yaga's incident in the Hut.
The Roots have been spreading their corruption... as there has been no guardian, and no balance.
The Voice didn't start talking until Yaga had the gauntlet, and was in peril.
The Voice, by the end, was trying to explain herself to Yaga, saying she didn't want to destroy *everything* anymore, and wanted to salvage what she could. She's got a history with the Black Cat, made up of the old tales. They re-enact part of Red Riding Hood when you head into Winter. The Voice is Yaga's connection to the Roots/Hut. A part of Yaga that she "hasn't fully absorbed yet".
The Hut/Roots need a guardian. You meet another Guardian in the Knight's 3rd quest. And you help with its corruption. And like other sidequest boss fights, it's got 2 voices. Like you do.
The main bosses of the game are some UGLY "trees" mixed with the spirits of your... friends. Who were captured/killed by Baba Gordana/Roots. You prune them, and bring them back to the Hut. You are spending the game pushing back against the Roots. Restoring balance to the world and yourself.
At the end, it's not that either one was "the mask". I mean, when any mask breaks, you're still talking to The Voice. Neither of you is good or evil. Root or Branch, at the end of the day, you're the same tree, aren't you?
Throughout the world, you find those totems, one type brings balance to your mind, so you get the benefits of good and bad morality at once. You are both, and you always were. And you've got this perk at the end of the game. Along with infinite ammo once you realize the mask is not you or the voice.
You free all the souls trapped in the Roots, and you become one with yourself. Which also kinda fits into the Gnolledge stuff, but that's a longass philosophy/religion can o' worms that I could ramble about, but there's better sources. It's just Bhuddism, platonic ideals, and what the Highest Goal (or whatever the term the Gnolls used was).
But anyway.
I think at the end, it's not The Voice taking over. You're just both becoming one being, a fully-fledged guardian of the forest. Changed Roots, changed Guardian. You don't really lose either voice through becoming one.
That or the roots took a nap. ;)
Now, Yaga was a real person at some point; but the version of Yaga we see in the game is just a mask. In the ending scene, she says "I know who you are, and what I am."
I think as she goes and collects the dolls, she's in essence collecting the disparate parts of the souls as artifacts of power, giving the mask its real power.
Notice the sky, the creatures, the hints throughout the quests that there are multiple intersecting stories all coming together because the roots are corrupting stuff. There are hints that the world is cyclic; that's because stories can be read over and over.
At the end, you see the voice looking in the lake as a mirror. It's the same kind of anchor used in other stories, such as "Through the Looking-Glass" (sequel to Alice in Wonderland). In the 1977 film, she finds the poem "Jabberwocky" by Lewis Carroll and enters the mirror as an alternate story universe, and fantastical things ensue (not the least of which was the Jabberwocky--a creature that haunted my nightmares as a child).
Also the collectible artifacts are placed in mirrored sets; one on top looking more real, the other below inverted and having a "looking through water" appearance.
Might be obvious to some, but at some point I was really confused and thinking the Voice was Zora. But... it's pretty clear from the ending fight that Zora and the Voice have different voices, and different corporeal form. In the ending picture sequence you see a girl with a mask on her side, and four dolls hanging from the carousel.
No matter what morality you choose, the voices of the Voice and Yaga are usually polar opposites. Yaga is always timid and usually feels bad about hurting things. Yaga and Zora were familiar and inseparable; they would not have such a dichotomy in their viewpoints of the world.
Baba represents the raw chaotic power of nature, which exists inside all of us; Gordana and her children are like counterweights. It will grow untamed and consume the world if left unchecked.
Note the repetition of the number 4: 4 seasons, 4 mushrooms (in the Mushroom Sanctuary there are only 4, so it does not count the twins), 4 children/dolls. This number has historically meant Justice, Order, and the Universe in many belief systems (even the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse are an archetype of the concept of Justice).
Good and evil are presented as morally relativistic, since Nature is not inherently good or evil. The most important thing is that nature must remain at balance and in a state of order. If the roots are not controlled, all humanity dies.
In the stories that the children tell, the woman in the woods is not to be loved; she may help you or hurt you depending on whether you're good or bad. So balance brings about its own sense of Justice.
The way the story ends/begins, it seems as if the Voice could be the protagonist in a sequel. Which by the way... I would LOVE and totally buy on pre-order.
Do people read previous posts?
She can't be the mask going by the games logic (it gets stolen, breaks, replaced etc).
The dolls being being artifacts is a cool idea but not supported by anything in the game, funny thing when I think about it tho... they never do explain the dolls?
The story part is kinda obvious but it can just be how Yaga see the world not that the world IS a story.
But they could have done a "total recall" thing about everything that we see and do is not real but a interpretation of how Yaga sees her journey.
But as I said before, we NEED to use the games own information and lore and most of the things you said is not there = bad story writing = needs explanation from the devs = needs a sequel that explains things.