Can't spot aircraft?

[warhawk373]

Just got the game and I decided to start by doing editor and practicing takeoffs and intercepting aircraft. I hate using icons so I disabled them, I knew about where the enemy was but I couldn't see him. So I went into editor to find out at what distance I could spot a target. The maximum distance that the plane was visible was 1000-1200m. The maps are so freaking big how are you supposed to actually play the game if you can't see the target. You would basically have to be lucky to get into a dogfight or place enemy planes 2000m apart over the whole area you want to fight in. Even at 1000m though they are a tiny, tiny, tiny spec. Like I had to rub my screen to make sure it wasn't just a piece of fly sh*t. I love how there is so much content and huge maps but this game is basically just made to be a WW2 scenery "flight sim". There isn't even startup procedures so you can't really consider it a simulation, it's more of just a massive arcade flying game.

[Darth Eric]

Wrong, you can ask groundcontrol to get you a vector for an intercept or you can use icons even though you hate it.

[mellow]

when you do a mission youll run into them, you can get ground control to tell you where you need to go by pressing tab, or just pick a low rank and follow your squad.
i use icons but they disapear before the plane does and i never had problem finding them, what mission are you even doing?

and are you sure you dont just have rly low resolution? at 500m your almost right behind him, planes disapear at like 4-5km for me

[The Cunning Fox (raZoleg)]

No, it's a flight sim. The best one on the market still, despite its age and all those fancy DCS and BoS. Don't do the "western' thing and blame the game just cause you can't see nothin'.

It takes practice though. I've had the same problem as you. What I do is I move my head around slowly and notice any objects in the sky/ground that aren't moving at the same speed as everything else in my sight.

It's very important to scan at the same speed and keep your scan relatively stable horisontaly so you don't zig-zag up and down. Human brain easily accepts movement from left/right, not so much up/down since you don't do it that often.

Some planes are "stationary" as in they move with the same speed as your scan since their angle of approach is either diectly towards you or away from you, but they too can be seen against the sky or gorund since they are characteristically grey pixels.

I can detect planes at any distance, against any background, even at night, though the distance is reduced for me in darkness, I try to fly with the sun/moon at my back so the enemy planes are lit, or I try to take the enemies into clouds so their planes have a contour against the cloud, but even if you fly towards the sunset/moon it's even easier since if you go lower - you will be able to see anything against the horizon (it doesn't work as well when you're really high above though).

It's fairly easy, you just need to practice, and stop whining.

[warhawk373]

Originally posted by Vasiliy "Вася" Poopkine:

No, it's a flight sim.

It's fairly easy, you just need to practice, and stop whining.

First, this is not a true flight sim, its more real than war thunder but less real than things like DCS and Cliffs of Dover. I know your nostalgia for the game keeps you from seeing that but trust me, I'm definitely not the only one who belive this is not considered a flight sim compared to the newer games.

Second, I know what I saw. I wasn't just playing a mission. I placed a plane 500m in front of my plane at the same altitude with clear skies in editor. I could see it, so I went back and moved it out another 100m. I repeated this until I couldn't see it, which was at 1200m. So don't tell me that I'm doing "the Western thing" and blaming the game on my own inability because it clearly IS the game and not me. I'm not running this game on a computer from the 90's, I have all settings on max 1920x1080 resolution. I'm even playing on a 40 inch monitor. I'm sure if your at a high altitude you can spot aircraft because of their contrail, but at lower altitudes the plane was not visible for me.

What a terrible community, instead of trying to find the problem they just assume it's my fault.

Originally posted by Old1:

Wrong, you can ask groundcontrol to get you a vector for an intercept or you can use icons even though you hate it.

I don't even know what to say to that. If that isn't describing an arcade game then I don't know what is. This comment proves why I believe this isn't a real flight sim. You know what other game does that? War Thunder, I bet you think that's a flight sim too.

[mellow]

Originally posted by warhawk373:

Originally posted by Vasiliy "Вася" Poopkine:

No, it's a flight sim.

It's fairly easy, you just need to practice, and stop whining.

First, this is not a true flight sim, its more real than war thunder but less real than things like DCS and Cliffs of Dover. I know your nostalgia for the game keeps you from seeing that but trust me, I'm definitely not the only one who belive this is not considered a flight sim compared to the newer games.

Second, I know what I saw. I wasn't just playing a mission. I placed a plane 500m in front of my plane at the same altitude with clear skies in editor. I could see it, so I went back and moved it out another 100m. I repeated this until I couldn't see it, which was at 1200m. So don't tell me that I'm doing "the Western thing" and blaming the game on my own inability because it clearly IS the game and not me. I'm not running this game on a computer from the 90's, I have all settings on max 1920x1080 resolution. I'm even playing on a 40 inch monitor. I'm sure if your at a high altitude you can spot aircraft because of their contrail, but at lower altitudes the plane was not visible for me.

What a terrible community, instead of trying to find the problem they just assume it's my fault.

Originally posted by Old1:

Wrong, you can ask groundcontrol to get you a vector for an intercept or you can use icons even though you hate it.

I don't even know what to say to that. If that isn't describing an arcade game then I don't know what is. This comment proves why I believe this isn't a real flight sim. You know what other game does that? War Thunder, I bet you think that's a flight sim too.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=865867594

you can see the one at 1.77km, so mayb u need glasses?

[Ushkyr]

That's challenging - no sarcasm meant. there are guys who seem to be able to distinct the con(tacts)s from a pixel size onwards. That is not me - so when playing online I just stick to the group and listen to Teamspeak. that gets me bearing to target or threat.
It helps, but still frustrating to understand they splot the bandit way before I do.

[warhawk373]

Okay. I apologize. Apparently I was reading the map wrong. I set him 10,000m away instead of 1000m These maps are WAAAAY bigger than I thought. I was on the new guinea map and I was in the Goodenough Bay and relative to the rest of the map that seems like a tiny bay, cool to do a dog fight in. Little did I know the bay is like 35,000m wide while the map is like 450,000m wide. I was just salty because I spent like 20 minutes flying in circles right where I thought the target was and couldn't find it.

Thanks "an lol mellow" and "Ushkyr" for actually trying to help. For the others, don't comment on something if all your going to say is basically "I'm good and your bad"

[The Cunning Fox (raZoleg)]

Originally posted by warhawk373:

Okay. I apologize. Apparently I was reading the map wrong. I set him 10,000m away instead of 1000m These maps are WAAAAY bigger than I thought. I was on the new guinea map and I was in the Goodenough Bay and relative to the rest of the map that seems like a tiny bay, cool to do a dog fight in. Little did I know the bay is like 35,000m wide while the map is like 450,000m wide. I was just salty because I spent like 20 minutes flying in circles right where I thought the target was and couldn't find it.

Thanks "an lol mellow" and "Ushkyr" for actually trying to help. For the others, don't comment on something if all your going to say is basically "I'm good and your bad"

Well, fиck you too cordially. You're welcome for the help I've provided, by the way. I've just explained the whole way to scan sector and spot the aircraft if you actually read the post. Seems like you're having trouble not just with the game, but with logic. But it's everyone else's fault all the time, isn't it?

And IL-2 is a sim, no amount of your crying is going to change that fact. Cliffs of Dover was made by the same team and... gasp!... it's also called IL2!

You say the community is terrible, but it's you who comes here barging in and assuming it's the game's fault, which it turned out not to be.

Good luck being on teamspeak and trying to "fit in" the group if you love the blamegame. See how long you'd be able to stay in a squadron with that attitude.

You're on your own in the skies, brah.

Apology accepted.

[warhawk373]

Originally posted by The Cunning Fox:

Well, fиck you too cordially. You're welcome for the help I've provided, by the way. I've just explained the whole way to scan sector and spot the aircraft if you actually read the post. Seems like you're having trouble not just with the game, but with logic. But it's everyone else's fault all the time, isn't it?

It had nothing to do with "scanning the skies" though. I was asking for help on why I wasn't able to see the aircraft when I spawned it in editor straight ahead of me, not flying around randomly.

If you want someone to respect your advice don't end with "and stop whinning" because clearly I was having a problem within the editor and not the actual game itself.

I understand now that you were trying to help but your post came off as very rude. I was frustrated with the game so my original quesiton may have been too harsh but if it made you upset then you shouldn't even comment on it.

As for the game being a sim, when comparing it to the newer generation games, it is not as realistic. Therefore it is not considered a full flight sim by today's standards. During its time I'm sure it was the best flight sim out there. It's kind of like comparing Squad to Arma 3. The amount of detail plus content Arma 3 has makes Squad look like an FPS shoot em' up. Same with newer IL2 games and this one. The amount of detail going into starting and managing your plane as well as navigation in the newer games makes this one seem much more like a mild flight sim.

I never blamed anybody for anything. Your comment was just rude and unhelpful because you clearly didn't understand why I was having the issue.

[Darth Eric]

Originally posted by warhawk373:

Originally posted by Vasiliy "Вася" Poopkine:

No, it's a flight sim.

It's fairly easy, you just need to practice, and stop whining.

First, this is not a true flight sim, its more real than war thunder but less real than things like DCS and Cliffs of Dover. I know your nostalgia for the game keeps you from seeing that but trust me, I'm definitely not the only one who belive this is not considered a flight sim compared to the newer games.

Second, I know what I saw. I wasn't just playing a mission. I placed a plane 500m in front of my plane at the same altitude with clear skies in editor. I could see it, so I went back and moved it out another 100m. I repeated this until I couldn't see it, which was at 1200m. So don't tell me that I'm doing "the Western thing" and blaming the game on my own inability because it clearly IS the game and not me. I'm not running this game on a computer from the 90's, I have all settings on max 1920x1080 resolution. I'm even playing on a 40 inch monitor. I'm sure if your at a high altitude you can spot aircraft because of their contrail, but at lower altitudes the plane was not visible for me.

What a terrible community, instead of trying to find the problem they just assume it's my fault.

Originally posted by Old1:

Wrong, you can ask groundcontrol to get you a vector for an intercept or you can use icons even though you hate it.

I don't even know what to say to that. If that isn't describing an arcade game then I don't know what is. This comment proves why I believe this isn't a real flight sim. You know what other game does that? War Thunder, I bet you think that's a flight sim too.

I think that the community has found the problem namely YOU !
Because you can not accept that you are now ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ at everyone else.

[Darth Eric]

The answer to all your senceless complaining is very easy.
You don't like it, return it and get a refund like i did.

[warhawk373]

Originally posted by Old1:

The answer to all your senceless complaining is very easy.
You don't like it, return it and get a refund like i did.

It's not a bad game. I was just having a problem, that I fixed, no thanks to you. You shouldn't try to be technical support for a game that you've only spent 6 hours on

[The Cunning Fox (raZoleg)]

Well you went from "I can't spot sh*t" to "this game isn't a sim" in one single pharagraph. Your question was, and I quote :

"The maps are so freaking big how are you supposed to actually play the game if you can't see the target. You would basically have to be lucky to get into a dogfight or place enemy planes 2000m apart over the whole area you want to fight in. Even at 1000m though they are a tiny, tiny, tiny spec. Like I had to rub my screen to make sure it wasn't just a piece of fly sh*t.

Your topic literally says:

Can't spot aircraft?

Whining is defined as asking one question, then making assumptions, then blaming the whole situation (in this case - the game and the community) for a fault that obviously only you experience.

You never said you wanted to spot aircraft with using the editor like in

It had nothing to do with "scanning the skies" though. I was asking for help on why I wasn't able to see the aircraft when I spawned it in editor straight ahead of me, not flying around randomly.

I provided the ways to spot things (also, clean your screen fam).

I only ever answer people in a rude way if they deserve it, in which case, considering your attitude, was a call I've made. Notice my replies on this forum before and see if I ever replied rudely to anyone who didn't deserve it.

I don't like people who complain and then insult one of the greatest games ever made. Even DCS has Flaming cliffs 3 without clicky cockpits, and that's considered a sim. Here you have complex engine management, propeller management, realistic damage.

So what exactly isn't sim about this? The lack of all-clickable cockpit? Well then, half Miscorosft Flight sim isn't a sim, half DCS isn't a sim (the most popular part by the way). Apache Longbow 2 isn't a sim.

A full blown Thud cockpit in your garage, attached to a 6 DOF pulley system, cut out of a real Vietnam era fighter with all the buttons linked to the game and a full 360 degree flexible display covering the glass of the cockpit with holographic projection to simulate the movement of the head is then a sim, a radio with "good morning Vietnam" lady hired to voice the messages just for you, and the game which supports PFM at least and clickedy cockpit.

[mellow]

Originally posted by warhawk373:

Originally posted by The Cunning Fox:

Well, fиck you too cordially. You're welcome for the help I've provided, by the way. I've just explained the whole way to scan sector and spot the aircraft if you actually read the post. Seems like you're having trouble not just with the game, but with logic. But it's everyone else's fault all the time, isn't it?

It had nothing to do with "scanning the skies" though. I was asking for help on why I wasn't able to see the aircraft when I spawned it in editor straight ahead of me, not flying around randomly.

If you want someone to respect your advice don't end with "and stop whinning" because clearly I was having a problem within the editor and not the actual game itself.

I understand now that you were trying to help but your post came off as very rude. I was frustrated with the game so my original quesiton may have been too harsh but if it made you upset then you shouldn't even comment on it.

As for the game being a sim, when comparing it to the newer generation games, it is not as realistic. Therefore it is not considered a full flight sim by today's standards. During its time I'm sure it was the best flight sim out there. It's kind of like comparing Squad to Arma 3. The amount of detail plus content Arma 3 has makes Squad look like an FPS shoot em' up. Same with newer IL2 games and this one. The amount of detail going into starting and managing your plane as well as navigation in the newer games makes this one seem much more like a mild flight sim.

I never blamed anybody for anything. Your comment was just rude and unhelpful because you clearly didn't understand why I was having the issue.

I was frustrated with the game so my original quesiton may have been too harsh but if it made you upset then you shouldn't even comment on it.

ya your post was pretty rude, so you shouldnt rly complain when someone is rude back.

[warhawk373]

Whatever. If I see someone who is frusterated with a game that I have experince on/disagrees with my own opinions I either help them calmly or don't respond at all. I guess I can't expect the same kindness when I'm frustrated. I shouldn't be supprised though, this is the internet after all.