trading seems a bit underwhelming

[andmann]

so I have 4 FTA's with other empires
3 ranks into improved commerce research
the annual tax income is at 420.000$. My economy is the strongest in the unvierse everyone hates me for that other than my bribed allies.
trading in this economy gives a whooping annual bonus of average 420$
yep 0.1% of my income is made up of trading.

is the AIs economy just too weak ?

TLDR:
Trade agreement types vary in their pupose:
*Free: actually means free. so only recommended if you'r economy is weaker. or you want to patronize an ally. you will not directly make money off it
* restricted: save guard your stock pile, sell off abundance at good profit(50% tariff)
* limited: probably nets the most profits once you can provide rare resources in quantity (at 20% tariff)

other empires actually must want your stuff. so you should aim to create resource supply gaps in the universe ;)

[D3st]

What difficulty level are you playing?

[D3st]

Do they need ressource at least?Under the diplo menu?

[Gregorovitch]

IIRC how it worked in DW1 trade agreement income tended to start measly but wind up over time - quite a long time - and it was also dependant on how much surplus resources partners had to trade and how much money their private sectors primarily had to spend which of course both increased over time.

[VoiD]

I got my first trade partner just now (spawned between 2 hostile boskaras) and he isn't too close to my territory, but I've seen some 45k trade income over the past 5 years a while ago, now it's sitting at 10k, it's not much but considering my total colony tax is at 100k it helps, also, more goods = faster development too and higher taxes.

What I found weird is that I've rushed tourist stations before I even left my solar system and tourism income is always non existant, I can get less than 2k in most years, having dozens of these stations.

[FlashXAron ☕ (Alex)]

That should be the complcicated game of all time, yes because it is unbalanced af
not even at Trading but anything else ...
and some things, like diplomacy and special spies is totally broken !
Also the game has problems with distance, it feels like a joke even , when you haven't researched the good techs ...
once again balancing problems everywhere

That game is now Alpha at least

[bluntobj]

This may be related to civilian ships which carry cargo. I have noticed that the resource shortages are now significant on worlds, and where they produce goods they are usually stocked full without transports moving the goods.

This is really where the sabotage and blowing up stations hurts: When it's full of resources.
Very few independent traders are around either.

It's really down to balancing and tweaking.

[D3st]

Originally posted by FlashXAron ☕ (Alex):

That should be the complcicated game of all time, yes because it is unbalanced af
not even at Trading but anything else ...
and some things, like diplomacy and special spies is totally broken !
Also the game has problems with distance, it feels like a joke even , when you haven't researched the good techs ...
once again balancing problems everywhere

That game is now Alpha at least

How spies and diplo are broken please explain because on my side is work great.

What about the distance you are talking about?Care to share more explanation?

The way the economy work is this.Population and planet need luxury---space port and planet need fuel and construction stuff.

then the ingame trading system order ship to move X product to X location if they NEED it.I assume that the game will prio your empire first before trading to an other empire.If you product enought stuff that your population/planet/space port need,the game will build ship to move it around.When its come to other empire trade its the SAME.Their popuplation must be in shortage of something in order to trade with an other empire.You have to have lot of stock in order to trade with an other empire and your SHIP must be able to REACH that empire.Unless you are really close to that empire you will need at least tier 5 or 6 jump tech or a LOT of fuel module to travel that far.The first 4 jump tech are not that great when its come to distance and its mainly for earlie expention and finding ressource for yourseflt.

Last thing,you need a commerce module either on your space station or your mine and they also NEED it too to be able to do trade with other faction.AI tend to research it kinda late in the ealier phase of the game.

[shi4stone823]

I dont get the price of the resource being traded--do the player have to pay for the import or just if the state use it to build ship?`if the latter case, what about all the luxury resource being traded, how does their prices translate to private or state income

[D3st]

Originally posted by shi4stone823:

I dont get the price of the resource being traded--do the player have to pay for the import or just if the state use it to build ship?`if the latter case, what about all the luxury resource being traded, how does their prices translate to private or state income

Your private eco move your stuff around for free.Price is when your trader are buying them from someone else or Free trader(white ship that you see around independ planet sometime).Price also indicate of course when you sell too.

You pay for the import then your private sector will use them to build ship and pay you for building the ship.You get paid when your private sector sell stuff.When its come to luxury its the same.you pay for it but happiness will raise and you can tax them a lil more to cover the expanse(if your world quality is at least 60%+)If your world quality is to low you will loose money.

[icedude94]

You will make tons of money with trade agreements if you exclusively control the supply of a rare high value resource that your partner does not have. This is why the super luxuries are so valuable.

I'm yet to get as far in DW2, but in DW1 with a mercantile race like the Haakonish, I invaded distant colonies to exclusively control the supply of the 3 super luxury resources so that other empires would have to trade with me to get it. The amount of annual income I was getting from tariffs each year was in the millions.

[shi4stone823]

Originally posted by D3st:

Originally posted by shi4stone823:

I dont get the price of the resource being traded--do the player have to pay for the import or just if the state use it to build ship?`if the latter case, what about all the luxury resource being traded, how does their prices translate to private or state income

Your private eco move your stuff around for free.Price is when your trader are buying them from someone else or Free trader(white ship that you see around independ planet sometime).Price also indicate of course when you sell too.

You pay for the import then your private sector will use them to build ship and pay you for building the ship.You get paid when your private sector sell stuff.When its come to luxury its the same.you pay for it but happiness will raise and you can tax them a lil more to cover the expanse(if your world quality is at least 60%+)If your world quality is to low you will loose money.

could you please elaborate on who pays whom in trading? say if i need to import certain construction material for my ships (private and state), private ship or other faction ships bring those to my space ports, is my state paying for those resources? and then when i build state ship, i have to pay for the resource again, right? who gets that money then? And do private pay for the resourse they use in building ship? i thought they pay for usage of the shipyard? Manual is very vague about it.

[D3st]

Originally posted by shi4stone823:

Originally posted by D3st:

Your private eco move your stuff around for free.Price is when your trader are buying them from someone else or Free trader(white ship that you see around independ planet sometime).Price also indicate of course when you sell too.

You pay for the import then your private sector will use them to build ship and pay you for building the ship.You get paid when your private sector sell stuff.When its come to luxury its the same.you pay for it but happiness will raise and you can tax them a lil more to cover the expanse(if your world quality is at least 60%+)If your world quality is to low you will loose money.

could you please elaborate on who pays whom in trading? say if i need to import certain construction material for my ships (private and state), private ship or other faction ships bring those to my space ports, is my state paying for those resources? and then when i build state ship, i have to pay for the resource again, right? who gets that money then? And do private pay for the resourse they use in building ship? i thought they pay for usage of the shipyard? Manual is very vague about it.

Example: Your ship get certain construction material from an other empire or X empire bring you construction material to your space sport= You pay not the private state.

Your ship bring stuff from your mine to your planet or space port.=No one pay for the transfer.

Private state order ship to your space port or planet=Private sector pay for the construction of the ship and the money is transfered to you as a bonus income that you can see in the money tab of your empire.

So now that we have clearly figured how the system work and to answer your question.If you import construction mat from an other empire you will pay for it not the private sector.But then the private sector may use these mats to build ship for themselft and they will pay you for the construction of it.

hopefully ive explain it a lil better now.

[shi4stone823]

Thank you for the detailed answer! I wish the manual would have documented it as such.

[D3st]

Originally posted by shi4stone823:

Thank you for the detailed answer! I wish the manual would have documented it as such.

My pleasure have fun with the game :)

[Prown]

I tend to agree with trading, I used the editor to give me some of the most expensive luxuries, and materials - theoretically i should be making absolute bank from trading as everyone wants these

Nope, the AI is making 200k trading, i'm making 1k. I have all the riches, but they have all the money, it honestly seems backwards.