Digimon as a franchise is such a failure

[Top G]

All they need to do is get "inspired" by pokemon and do a rpg that includes all mons people know and make the gameplay similiar and it would be a banger idk why they keep experimenting with ♥♥♥♥ nobody wants like the lackluster visual novel

[funewchie]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Adrian:

I think this is bait but I'll bite.
To be fair Digimon is making a good resurgence, v-pets, Vital Bracelets, new shows, got Digimon Survive and pretty sure there are more games in the works, dim cards, yadda yadda.

The fact that Digimon isn't as profitable as Pokemon doesn't mean it is a failure, in fact, no other franchise is as profitable as Pokemon, not even Elden Ring, yet, it's not considered a failure.

True.
To put it in perspective, Pokemon is more profitable (est. $77.1 billion)... than Mickey Mouse (est. $66.7 billion), Winnie the Pooh (est. $73.7 billion), and Star Wars (est. $65 billion).

(And yes, this means Pokemon is currently the highest grossing media franchise)

To beat Pokemon, Digimon would have to be able to kick Disney's butt.
That's.... not exactly an easy thing to do.

[Draco]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Top G:

idk why they keep experimenting with ♥♥♥♥ nobody wants like the lackluster visual novel

I did.... Digimon Survive was one of the best Digimon games because the story was good. I enjoyed it enough to 100% it... and I rarely take the time to 100% anything these days.

What shocks me is the people that did not realize the story heavy game with light tactics elements that was advertised as story heavy with some light tactics had alot of story in it... and some light tactics.

They never did a bait and switch. Every interview was very upfront with what kind of game experience you were getting.

But... you know... reading is hard. Can't read and interview, how can you read a game?

[Korinth]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MarcusBWFC:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Adrian:

I think this is bait but I'll bite.
To be fair Digimon is making a good resurgence, v-pets, Vital Bracelets, new shows, got Digimon Survive and pretty sure there are more games in the works, dim cards, yadda yadda.

The fact that Digimon isn't as profitable as Pokemon doesn't mean it is a failure, in fact, no other franchise is as profitable as Pokemon, not even Elden Ring, yet, it's not considered a failure.

Also, is there even a Pokemon game that supports all Pokemon? Not sure, but still, Digimon has had many RPGs, and I do love that they're experimenting, Cyber Sleuth was a great game, Rumble Arena was also pretty fun, Digimon World is a classic, Digimon Survive isn't for everyone but it's not bad at all by any means.

every game in the franchise before sword/shield including most spin offs

Theorically never in the main franchise since you always need the second version to catch them all. If you're alone you can never get all the pokémon. When online was free on DS/3DS you could in a way, but now you need to pay a subscription aha

[Asian girls lover]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von fireguardiancoty:

No Digimon game has ever had every Digimon in it.

That doesn't count if games sucks.

[redeyedraven]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MarcusBWFC:

every game in the franchise before sword/shield including most spin offs

Sword/Shield actually were only *initially* limited in that regard. Eventually they patched it so you could transfer all you have from older editions again...

[funewchie]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von redeyedraven:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MarcusBWFC:

every game in the franchise before sword/shield including most spin offs

Sword/Shield actually were only *initially* limited in that regard. Eventually they patched it so you could transfer all you have from older editions again...

Not quite.

Not counting legendaries, mythicals, and ultra beasts... sword and shield only have about 620 species in them.

So, you can't transfer a Zebstrika, for instance.

[peep]

This is the reason why Pokemon games have turned to ♥♥♥♥, same game for 30 years with very little deviation.

[Komoty]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Top G:

All they need to do is get "inspired" by pokemon and do a rpg that includes all mons people know and make the gameplay similiar and it would be a banger idk why they keep experimenting with ♥♥♥♥ nobody wants like the lackluster visual novel

I almost agree, we need a big descent game with all the digimons, they need to stop with the experimenting, the visual novel was a slap in the face.

But we dont need a copy of pokemon, personally I like the gameplay from this, they could grab this one and expend on it, is that simple, digimon story have turn based gameplay, with good animations and mons in high quality, but that gameplay makes me sleep after some time playing it
I prefer the combat we got in next order. Tho taking care of 2 digimons at the same time is a little too much for me XD but besides that this is really fun

[Elrohir Telemmaitë]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Komoty:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Top G:

All they need to do is get "inspired" by pokemon and do a rpg that includes all mons people know and make the gameplay similiar and it would be a banger idk why they keep experimenting with ♥♥♥♥ nobody wants like the lackluster visual novel

I almost agree, we need a big descent game with all the digimons, they need to stop with the experimenting, the visual novel was a slap in the face.

But we dont need a copy of pokemon, personally I like the gameplay from this, they could grab this one and expend on it, is that simple, digimon story have turn based gameplay, with good animations and mons in high quality, but that gameplay makes me sleep after some time playing it, I prefer the combat we got in this one.

That’s where Bamco have got it good. Digimon World is popular for Virtual Pet fans and Story is good for JRPG fans. It’s the perfect balance

[redeyedraven]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von WOOWA by DIA:

This is the reason why Pokemon games have turned to ♥♥♥♥, same game for 30 years with very little deviation.

Well Gamefreak are just not up to the challenge of making a MODERN game properly IMO. And as long as the brand still sells like hotcakes, there's no urgency for them to change that.

[Yerc2]

This is just my interpretation, so YOLO. But IMO it kinda seems like over the years, Digimon has tried to branch out their games and audience, experimenting with darker and less-covertly sexual tones.
Almost like they halfheartedly tried to shift game design with their aging playerbase.

Whereas in Pokemon, the gameplay and story has always been simplified and targeted towards a younger audience.
And people just kinda stuck with it since it's the same as what they're used to.

[redeyedraven]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Yerc2:

This is just my interpretation, so YOLO. But IMO it kinda seems like over the years, Digimon has tried to branch out their games and audience, experimenting with darker and less-covertly sexual tones.
Almost like they halfheartedly tried to shift game design with their aging playerbase.

Whereas in Pokemon, the gameplay and story has always been simplified and targeted towards a younger audience.
And people just kinda stuck with it since it's the same as what they're used to.

I binged Casp's videos on Digimon-games a while back and from what it looks like you'd be right. You can say Digimon-games lack this and that but you can't blame them for not trying something different or new with almost every game (it's more like more often than not what they tried came off like it was half-assed or frankly incompetence).

But that seems to be a general issue with Bandai-Namco published games based on Anime-IP. Even the truly newer games on that front often look like they were made 20 years ago, aside from some effects.

[Izunyami]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Yerc2:

This is just my interpretation, so YOLO. But IMO it kinda seems like over the years, Digimon has tried to branch out their games and audience, experimenting with darker and less-covertly sexual tones.
Almost like they halfheartedly tried to shift game design with their aging playerbase.

Whereas in Pokemon, the gameplay and story has always been simplified and targeted towards a younger audience.
And people just kinda stuck with it since it's the same as what they're used to.

Basically. Pokemon is so hugely successful and engrained in culture, they never need to leave the children's audience. Children will ALWAYS be Pokemon's primary and secondary audience. Adults are barely a second thought because children, statistically, is where most of the money is (as in, parental money). They have no need or pressure to ever "age up". That's one problem a lot of older fans face - either accepting that or accept that they aged out of Pokemon.

Since Digimon lost that battle to Pokemon over a decade ago, they decided to target slowly target the older, aged up audience and it's definitely working.

[Izunyami]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von redeyedraven:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Yerc2:

This is just my interpretation, so YOLO. But IMO it kinda seems like over the years, Digimon has tried to branch out their games and audience, experimenting with darker and less-covertly sexual tones.
Almost like they halfheartedly tried to shift game design with their aging playerbase.

Whereas in Pokemon, the gameplay and story has always been simplified and targeted towards a younger audience.
And people just kinda stuck with it since it's the same as what they're used to.

I binged Casp's videos on Digimon-games a while back and from what it looks like you'd be right. You can say Digimon-games lack this and that but you can't blame them for not trying something different or new with almost every game (it's more like more often than not what they tried came off like it was half-assed or frankly incompetence).

But that seems to be a general issue with Bandai-Namco published games based on Anime-IP. Even the truly newer games on that front often look like they were made 20 years ago, aside from some effects.

This is typical of Japanese games in general. I mean, even FromSoft games feel like dated ARPGs from the mid 2000's. Even Elden Ring. The Japanese tend to focus more on backend systems and complexity, that's why Japanese games tend to have a lot more (filler) content and complex systems. Even if you, the player, can't tell how complex they are.

The West focused on the aesthetics/sounds. Western games are usually fairly shallow or simple gameplay and content wise but look pretty. Which makes notable exceptions like Red Dead Redemption stand out more.

[Miro Fox]

Digimon Survive was Hype tho.

and Digimon Via Tamagachi Came before pokemon.

Pokemon just got more popular.