Defensive Stance vs Valorous Duel?

[Nasarog]

DS gives you a bonus plus a point.

VD lets you get multiple points if you engage multiple enemies in a single turn?

[Dorim]

Correct, DS is extremely situational and doesn't work very well on a lot of the tankier subclasses like Protector/Sentinel. You'll get more overall use out of VD, and if you really need the deflection you can still get one of the shields that lets you spend a valor point for it.

[Nasarog]

Escrito originalmente por Dorim:

Correct, DS is extremely situational and doesn't work very well on a lot of the tankier subclasses like Protector/Sentinel. You'll get more overall use out of VD, and if you really need the deflection you can still get one of the shields that lets you spend a valor point for it.

Yea, that's my concern too. So, DF is too situational? The new ner.. er, I meant update, made me really think about these two skills.

[Dorim]

Escrito originalmente por Nasarog:

Escrito originalmente por Dorim:

Correct, DS is extremely situational and doesn't work very well on a lot of the tankier subclasses like Protector/Sentinel. You'll get more overall use out of VD, and if you really need the deflection you can still get one of the shields that lets you spend a valor point for it.

Yea, that's my concern too. So, DF is too situational? The new ner.. er, I meant update, made me really think about these two skills.

It might be a bit better now since there are shields you can spend valor on for an attack? The main time I used DF in the past is for off-hand torch builds with the fire immunity accessory

[drake_hound]

Defensive staunch is a free click , sadly not really a valor generator , not really made for tanking either .. it is one of those skills that is very usefull early game.
When you lack gold and armor and equipment. and need to fight Hard Leaders.

Sadly later on it proven to be useless. since Valor Generation is what matters the most.
Somebody who generate one Valor on Conditions isn't very usefull.
Especially since the latest patch , to overcome all those extra Annoying mobs valor is the key to speed things up.

[Nasarog]

Escrito originalmente por drake_hound:

Defensive staunch is a free click , sadly not really a valor generator , not really made for tanking either .. it is one of those skills that is very usefull early game.
When you lack gold and armor and equipment. and need to fight Hard Leaders.

Sadly later on it proven to be useless. since Valor Generation is what matters the most.
Somebody who generate one Valor on Conditions isn't very usefull.
Especially since the latest patch , to overcome all those extra Annoying mobs valor is the key to speed things up.

Yea, that's how I feel too, I was wondering if I was alone in this.

Escrito originalmente por Dorim:

Escrito originalmente por Nasarog:

Yea, that's my concern too. So, DF is too situational? The new ner.. er, I meant update, made me really think about these two skills.

It might be a bit better now since there are shields you can spend valor on for an attack? The main time I used DF in the past is for off-hand torch builds with the fire immunity accessory

Yup yup.

[Wolf]

Escrito originalmente por drake_hound:

Defensive staunch is a free click , sadly not really a valor generator , not really made for tanking either .. it is one of those skills that is very usefull early game.
When you lack gold and armor and equipment. and need to fight Hard Leaders.

Sadly later on it proven to be useless. since Valor Generation is what matters the most.
Somebody who generate one Valor on Conditions isn't very usefull.
Especially since the latest patch , to overcome all those extra Annoying mobs valor is the key to speed things up.

Been my experience as well thus far, especially on the new patch. (though they did roll back the most annoying changes like the auto Dodge crap) I honestly don't think DS is a competitive pick in 99% of cases but there is an argument to be made for it in smaller scale fights like the arena etc... But even then it's extremely niche and I'd probably still never pick it over VD, personally.