Can you complete Black Caravan Quest for Vernalis?

[Jivebot]

I thought every quest has a choice. but the Black Caravan choice only seems to be to do it in Laheart's favor or do it in Laheart's favor and then betray Hostes for your own benefit. Is there no way to do it for Vernalis's side?

[Phil]

Well it's the same with the abbot, in each case you have two choices, either pro Vernalis/Laheart or neutral. So between those two quests you choose your allegiance.

[Tokala]

This zone is quite confusing and tricky.
To me the best way is to side with the legion

[Galahad]

Originally posted by Tokala:

This zone is quite confusing and tricky.
To me the best way is to side with the legion

And how will the story end if you choose the Legion, you will have to kill both Vernalius and Lahart? Or no one?

[Tokala]

Originally posted by Galahad:

Originally posted by Tokala:

This zone is quite confusing and tricky.
To me the best way is to side with the legion

And how will the story end if you choose the Legion, you will have to kill both Vernalius and Lahart? Or no one?

Iam not sure, if I remember it correctly, I think you have to kill both.
That`s fine with me, because they both are terrible.

[warrgood]

If you take the quest 'kill deserters' for the legion (before taking any 'recruit deserters' quests for either side) then take the abbot's quest and kill him, then take Hostes' quest and kill him (both times after completing the quest), the Legion will call for you and yell at you for a few minutes, then give you a new quest.
It's the 'end of storyline' battle for Arthes and results in the death of both Vernalis and Laheart. Then the Legion takes over.
You could have gone either way with the 'poison the well' quest in this scenario.

[Jivebot]

Originally posted by Tokala:

Iam not sure, if I remember it correctly, I think you have to kill both.
That`s fine with me, because they both are terrible.

How do you figure that? Every member of the common folk you encounter WANT Vernalius. I mean yeah, his mom is pretty sketchy but that's hardly his fault.

The closest thing to anything bad you can say about Vernalius himself is that he might be deluded. Then again, ancient history is full of people who thought they were chosen by divine mandate and took that mandate seriously, and genuinely tried to make the life of the common folk better.

Judging from the fact that all the common folk you meet in Arthes seemed pretty psyched up for Vernalius, that implies there's at least a chance he'll do right by them. Worst case scenario, he'll be no worse than Laheart and might prove better.

Why is handing the county over to a military dictatorship better than giving them the religious leader they all seem to want?

[Tokala]

Originally posted by Jivebot:

Originally posted by Tokala:

Iam not sure, if I remember it correctly, I think you have to kill both.
That`s fine with me, because they both are terrible.

How do you figure that? Every member of the common folk you encounter WANT Vernalius. I mean yeah, his mom is pretty sketchy but that's hardly his fault.

The closest thing to anything bad you can say about Vernalius himself is that he might be deluded. Then again, ancient history is full of people who thought they were chosen by divine mandate and took that mandate seriously, and genuinely tried to make the life of the common folk better.

Judging from the fact that all the common folk you meet in Arthes seemed pretty psyched up for Vernalius, that implies there's at least a chance he'll do right by them. Worst case scenario, he'll be no worse than Laheart and might prove better.

Why is handing the county over to a military dictatorship better than giving them the religious leader they all seem to want?

Like mentioned before, it is a long time since I played this and I don`t remember all the details .
I don`t recall people favouring him -maybe only because to get rid of Laheart.
He did not convince me -kind of a lunatic - and Iam suspicious about religious fanatics.
And I thought the Legion might restore some order in this torn region.
But maybe you are right, do as you like.

[madpraxis]

i mean, they weren't really FOR him. They were for the fact that he was chosen by the gods... Or at least some of them where that way. Because the priests said so.
Note, in this case, the chosen one could be *anyone* and the people following that would point towards whomever, it isn't necessarily the man himself they are for.

[Jivebot]

I see. Respectfully, you do seem to be conflating "Religious" with "religious fanatic". Alexander the Great thought he was the son of Zeus. Nobody calls him a religious fanatic.

Whether it was the Emperors of China or the Conquerors of Greece, across every time period and culture, Rulers have always claimed a divine mandate of some sort. Whether it was given to them directly or they're just the direct descendant of some demigod hero or another, that's pretty much the entire basis of rulership up until modernity began to erode that whole system.

The inquisition seem to be the only religious fanatics in this game, and they are funding Vernalius which made me a bit more skeptical of him. But the bounty missions in the taverns are full of "Rogue Inquisitors who've gone too far" so clearly the people of this setting don't just let the Inquisition do anything they want without consequence.

So my options are...

1) Vernalius: A guy who is probably a bit full of himself, and is definitely being goaded by the Inquisition and his mom but for whatever reason, the common folk all seem to view him favorably and maybe....just MAYBE...if he actually practices what he preaches, he could prove to be a good King.

2) Laheart: A guy who all the common folk seem to dislike, BUT he does have the legally just claim. That had me leaning toward him but him poisoning the wells and the fact I couldn't find anyone to say a single good thing about him EXCEPT his own lieutenant soured me on him. It's also very revealing that apparently, all it took to turn half his county against him was for one of his lesser lordlings to wake up one day and say "Hey Ya'll. I had a dream last night and I think Saint Jeru wants me to be in charge now."

Laheart must have been an absolute A-hole if that's all it took to start a civil war. lol

3) The legion who seem perfectly content to sit back and watch the county tear itself apart in a civil war while they wait to steamroll the winner so they can impose a military dictatorship.

Given those choices i'd rather give the people what they want, for better or worse. But considering how much charity the church is doing for the plague-ridden and starving....if Vernalius is a true believer and practices what he preaches, then Arthes will be better off with him than it would be under military dictatorship or a corrupt king.

Option two and three are just objectively awful options. Option one at least has a coin flip chance to be good. lol

At least that's how I decided which faction to support.