Maniac Trait

[Chaos]

So, last night I was returning to town after I've done my missions then suddenly one of my tank gain this trait while I was traveling...but why?

This permanent debuff to 5 willpower for not always fixing your armor to the max just stupid, especially in late game where your tanks have 400-700 armor while your repair part only give 10-22(30?) points and I rather go back to town to fix then with cash instead.

Which mean I was being punish for being economical in a management game.
Either this trait gain condition need to be rework or just remove this entirely.

Or maybe...make this trait give me some benefit instead of being pure debuff.

[Yograin]

How can it work as intended when it says it is active until the armor gets fixed.

[Fendelphi]

Originally posted by Yograin:

How can it work as intended when it says it is active until the armor gets fixed.

I think they mean that the debuff is temporary suppressed while your armor is fully repaired. Which technically fulfil its description(the debuff is "removed", not the trait itself).

The issue is just how much of a penalty this is. A single point of armor damage will activate it again(-5 Willpower), which will both lower your morale treshold, reduce your crit chance and potentially bring you below 15 Willpower, meaning no longer getting the "survive the first killing blow" passive .

If there is a way to "cleanse" this trait(like, "avoid armor damage in 5 fights"), then it would not be this big of a deal.

[Summanus]

Yeah, as Fendelphi says the debuff to Willpower from Maniac is only active when your armour is not at 100%. So fix that character's armour to full and they will temporarily be back to full Willpower again, but get a scratch on that armour and the debuff returns.

The only question is - does the Willpower debuff occur in real-time during battle as soon as you get hit? Or does it only proc once the battle is over? I never tested this out myself.

[Stardustfire]

sounds like they have changed it or you dont tell the whole story. in EA it triggered when you started a fight with defective armor, not by just running around with it.

[Summanus]

Originally posted by Stardustfire:

sounds like they have changed it or you dont tell the whole story. in EA it triggered when you started a fight with defective armor, not by just running around with it.

It does now just randomly happen when you're just wandering around with below 100% armour. It happened to me too (but I reloaded to avoid it) - just suddenly had a message come up on screen saying "so-and-so has gained the Maniac trait" and I was like, WTF?!

Its not even enough to make sure your armour just doesn't have the 'broken' indicator on it. It has to be at full repair, or else theres a chance the trait can trigger.

So if you don't want to get it then either repair to full after each fight, or else save often and reload if it happens.

[Chaos]

Originally posted by Stardustfire:

sounds like they have changed it or you dont tell the whole story. in EA it triggered when you started a fight with defective armor, not by just running around with it.

I gain the trait AFTER the fight is done and I'm on my way back to town to cash in and repair.
Beside 400ish out off 700 is not that defective to me, I can even fight again and still have 200-300 left.

[Keith 'Blood' Hanson]

Originally posted by noreason:

I might remember wrong but does it not dissappear when you repair the armor?

The negative effect disappears when you fully repair your armor, but the trait itself doesn't disappear.

Just sucks that the ONE time I didn't get my armor fully repaired because I had run out of repair supplies, I got it on my char. >.>

[coyo7e]

Originally posted by antlucasexe:

It does now just randomly happen when you're just wandering around with below 100% armour. It happened to me too (but I reloaded to avoid it) - just suddenly had a message come up on screen saying "so-and-so has gained the Maniac trait" and I was like, WTF?!

Its not even enough to make sure your armour just doesn't have the 'broken' indicator on it. It has to be at full repair, or else theres a chance the trait can trigger.

So if you don't want to get it then either repair to full after each fight, or else save often and reload if it happens.

I assume what you mean by "just wandering around" is that you got a confession event when resting. That was triggered by something you previously did - in this case, probably beginning a lot of fights without your character having armor fully repaired.

Sounds more as though you don't understand how the confession system works yet.

[Keith 'Blood' Hanson]

Originally posted by coyo7e:

Originally posted by antlucasexe:

It does now just randomly happen when you're just wandering around with below 100% armour. It happened to me too (but I reloaded to avoid it) - just suddenly had a message come up on screen saying "so-and-so has gained the Maniac trait" and I was like, WTF?!

Its not even enough to make sure your armour just doesn't have the 'broken' indicator on it. It has to be at full repair, or else theres a chance the trait can trigger.

So if you don't want to get it then either repair to full after each fight, or else save often and reload if it happens.

I assume what you mean by "just wandering around" is that you got a confession event when resting. That was triggered by something you previously did - in this case, probably beginning a lot of fights without your character having armor fully repaired.

Sounds more as though you don't understand how the confession system works yet.

No, this trait doesn't appear via confession event, you just get a pop up saying that Merc X got the trait.

I wouldn't mind this one TOO much if it had a way to make it go away, like Drunkard can go away from someone you don't give alcohol. Like go a week or something without sleeping in broken armor or something.

[Summanus]

Originally posted by coyo7e:

Originally posted by antlucasexe:

It does now just randomly happen when you're just wandering around with below 100% armour. It happened to me too (but I reloaded to avoid it) - just suddenly had a message come up on screen saying "so-and-so has gained the Maniac trait" and I was like, WTF?!

Its not even enough to make sure your armour just doesn't have the 'broken' indicator on it. It has to be at full repair, or else theres a chance the trait can trigger.

So if you don't want to get it then either repair to full after each fight, or else save often and reload if it happens.

I assume what you mean by "just wandering around" is that you got a confession event when resting. That was triggered by something you previously did - in this case, probably beginning a lot of fights without your character having armor fully repaired.

Sounds more as though you don't understand how the confession system works yet.

Nope. This trait does not appear as a camp confession event, and the fact that you just randomly assume it does sounds as though you have not played the game enough to know what you're talking about. Why would you even assume that when the post you quoted clearly states that the message just suddenly appeared on screen?

I've been playing Wartales since June 2022. Back in EA the Maniac trait would trigger sometimes with a low chance if you entered a battle with your armour not fully repaired. But that at least required the action of entering battle. Now its changed so that the trait can trigger when you're simply just walking around the map (nothing else, just walking) with your armour at less than 100% - you literally just get a message appear on the screen while you're travelling to notify you (again, with a seemingly low chance to trigger).

[Yian Yan]

Less than 100% or specifically the character is marked by the broken shield icon? You can have below 100% and not have that icon.

[DaniTheHero]

Time to save scum :D

[Ninth Hour]

I think this trait is bugged. One of my characters randomly acquired it just now, after the party picked up some iron ore from the road. No one had armor damage, I checked and rechecked everyone's armor and could not find a single point of damage. It seems rare. In over 300 hours, I never got it and at least half that time was with less than perfect armor.

[Ctrekoz]

What a stupid trait and even the name doesn't make sense. It should be like "Fear of injury\death" or "Pompous", either because of more fear for one's life without proper armor (might as well make the trait harder to get, that is only after multiple injuries or "dying" states), or because the merc is too full of oneself and wants 100% the best stuff. And yeah, getting it from just walking on the map is stupid, since the game is a lot about resource management and you can also repair at the blacksmith, why should I rush so much?

At least the debuff won't proc mid-combat if one's armor was full at the start...

[Stardustfire]

when the naming of this quirk is your only problem just remind the fact that shiro is really ( i mean REALLY REALLY) bad when it comes to wording and text that isnt france. you see it in Dune, you see it here. total wrong explanation texts and words sometimes.