The new theft system

[Teefy]

Granted, it was far too easy to get away with theft and highly lucrative to, for example, just steal your way into getting better skills from the brotherhood.

That said, what they've implement now makes stealing completely useless. The burden of waiting for the guards to forget about your crimes vastly outweighs the benifit. you can't move around freely anymore and it takes a considerable amount of time for the crimes to drop off. you are bound to accidently bump into a guard at some point.

it's easier and faster to just grind the money yourself wasting a perfectly fun gameplay loop.

if they want to go this route, fair enough, and its missing the mark. you either need a much lesser risk of getting caught, or have it drop off much, much faster. or maybe both.

i get why it was needed, and i'm saying they went Way overboard.

[Dark]

Have they actually changed any of the behaviors while you have a wanted level? I've played always wanted campaigns before. Yeah, you have to move off the beaten path more, but was kind of the point of the full time criminal life.


Anyway: You can turn in prisoners to lower your wanted level.
Also there is a Campground Banner buff that makes Guards ignore you for a day.

[Fourtwo]

Still, u can't steal anymore when u hit 500+ sus, and i don't know if it's a bug or what but even if i manage to have 0 sus the guard remember all my stolen goods even if they are laundred in both my stock & inventory, my fine is 5k for now, i tried with a save and even if i pay the fine, the next guard will ask me 5k again

[erome5578]

@Fourtwo,
So basically the theft profession is useless like trash now? LMAO....stupid non-improvement.

[Dorim]

You just have to move from tree line to tree line while wanted, and you can use the banner resolution to prevent suspicion gain once per rest

[Joikax]

This fix only further highlighted how stupidly expensive brotherhood books are and how inexpensive/useless most other items are that they're not worth stealing in comparison.

Just yesterday I was sitting on 7k krowns, decided to buy all the books from one vendor due to the stealing changes and I was immediatelly dropped to sub 1k. I'm not going to go out of my way to brainlessly farm contracts to reach that kind of money again only for it to vanish in an instant like that. What a terrible hit to my savings that was.

Converselly, leveling the crime and chaos path is now a slog thanks to it. Stealing is just not worth the hassle anymore even with a master thief.
Then again people complained about the book exploit but nobody dared think one step beyond and realize thieving as a whole needed changes anyway, this isn't all on the devs.

[Dark]

Skill Books are a huge Power creep for your unit and army. I don't think maxing out all your skills in the mid game for all your mercs was ever intended.

Yes, you can't steal anymore from vendors at 500 sp. But you can still fight caravans and take their stuff after. Also a good way to capture higher level Ponies for free.

Assassination missions are probably the most 'reliable way' to fight specific factions for specific faction gear. Or to provoke guards for Guard gear.



On the other hand, Choas and mischief Path was a slog even if you go Bandit route compared to other paths and not fun to level. I dont think I ever maxed it.

Also don't like how lockpicking difficulty scales with the player level. I would have liked there to be easy chest and hard chest depending on quality of spoils/loot box.

[Dumeka]

we were wanted in our co op yesterday and just kept moving through the trees far from the road when guards were on the road and partially even stayed put so the ambush mode kicked in. No problems there.
Besides you always couldn't steal or sell stolen goods after a certain level of being wanted.
Even in the early access it was like that.

[rurka3]

I'm one of few, which likes crime and chaos path. Those ones, which knows, how to not be catched by guards, is very useful about playing full-pledged bandit. Not forgetting about some boons while being wanted and new ambushing enemies. And remember, that next update will be again about paths, including crime and chaos path, so maybe we learn more tricks on crime path (or they add some black market relating perks)

Dark - I'm using way better way, to lower wanted level, without turning in even single prisoner, only costs you some time. Only requires completing one quest, to unlock it.

[termix]

Originally posted by Fourtwo:

Still, u can't steal anymore when u hit 500+ sus, and i don't know if it's a bug or what but even if i manage to have 0 sus the guard remember all my stolen goods even if they are laundred in both my stock & inventory, my fine is 5k for now, i tried with a save and even if i pay the fine, the next guard will ask me 5k again

I also had this situation. It must be a bug, since they wrote in patch that once the item is laundered guards forget about it. Also makes no sense after i use the skill tomes that i have the option to * return the items * the fine is the same if u return items or pay just the fine. it is a BUG.

[rurka3]

You must clear (or sell) all stolen items, to forget about your fine. Look at suspicious gauge (just move a cursor there) to see, do you have still fine or not.

And about new counting suspicion (before stealing), I see, that is now more dynamical (it is after moving a cursor on a item on first time during stealing, it won't be have same amount of suspicion if you're move a cursor on second (or more) time).

[Barara]

The player : Stealing is easy and can be use glitch abuse for money.
Dev : Fix theft system.
The player : WTF.
another here we go again.

[Ninth Hour]

Originally posted by Barara:

The player : Stealing is easy and can be use glitch abuse for money.
Dev : Fix theft system.
The player : WTF.
another here we go again.

It is a universal truth that you can please some of the people all the time, all the people some of the time, and some of the people some of the time.

But you can't please all the people all the time.

Personally, I liked the exploit and never complained about it. I saw it as one of those features that operated on an honor system- up to you to use it if you wish and to avoid it as you see fit. But I knew that its days were numbered.

I spent a lot of hours grinding my fortune but, at a certain point, expensive upgrades to unique weapons eroded most of my funds, so- after about 450+ hours of legitimate gameplay- I ended up using the theft exploit to recoup my losses. I was glad for its presence, as it meant that I did not have to grind another 20+ hours of trade missions and contracts and could instead move forward with more interesting activities.

But I know I'm probably in the minority. More die hard players than I have long complained about the economy being too generous so I'm sure there are many who are pleased.

I never understood the complaints. Purchasing skill books and upgrading weapons are a huge money sink. In the course of my game, I've probably spent over 50,000 Krowns outfitting 20+ characters with upgraded skills and keeping 13+ legendary weapons up to date.

[Barara]

Originally posted by Ninth Hour:

It is a universal truth that you can please some of the people all the time, all the people some of the time, and some of the people some of the time.

But you can't please all the people all the time.

Personally, I liked the exploit and never complained about it. I saw it as one of those features that operated on an honor system- up to you to use it if you wish and to avoid it as you see fit. But I knew that its days were numbered.

I spent a lot of hours grinding my fortune but, at a certain point, expensive upgrades to unique weapons eroded most of my funds, so- after about 400+ hours of legitimate gameplay- I ended up using the theft exploit to recoup my losses. I was glad for its presence, as it meant that I did not have to grind another 20+ hours of trade missions and contracts and could instead move forward with more interesting activities.

But I know I'm probably in the minority. More die hard players than I have long complained about the economy being too generous so I'm sure there are many who are pleased.

I never understood the complaints. Purchasing skill books and upgrading weapons are a huge money sink. In the course of my game, I've probably spent over 50,000 Krowns outfitting 20+ characters with upgraded skills and keeping 13+ legendary weapons up to date.

TBH, i do not care for the exploit even was used it, just like you said everything will become expensive, but if they fixed it, it also a good thing too because it mean dev is still listening to us.
True Neutral here, it just like you found treasure in middle of nowhere without any witness and owner, i will take it, unless it marked or something dangerous.
1500+ hours already played it since day 3 after EA release and enjoyed the game, the dev did a great improvement compare before.