Love Stargate | Low expectations for this game.

[Sebsch天皇]

As i said. I love Stargate Even SGU. I rly want a game using this kind of franchise to succeed but i have my doubts. Reading some of the discussions i think this game will suck a lot. Already watching the previous gameplays was a pain. Seemed very boring and not at all providing the typical Stargate flair. I hope i am wrong but ♥♥♥♥. Why dont make an action first person RPG with the Stargate lore? Its so obvious. Would be a better Starfield.

[KaosReigns]

Originally posted by Sebsch天皇:

As i said. I love Stargate Even SGU. I rly want a game using this kind of franchise to succeed but i have my doubts. Reading some of the discussions i think this game will suck a lot. Already watching the previous gameplays was a pain. Seemed very boring and not at all providing the typical Stargate flair. I hope i am wrong but ♥♥♥♥. Why dont make an action first person RPG with the Stargate lore? Its so obvious. Would be a better Starfield.

Short answer? The people holding the Stargate IP are jerkwads.

[Lord Dazed & Insane]

It's a shame how the IP is being treated. This game looks terrible

[Remnar]

Better not criticize their game; they may lock the topic! 🙄

[Edmon]

Originally posted by Remnar:

Better not criticize their game; they may lock the topic! 🙄

Your welcome to critize the game. The topic I closed was about how the game was not Stargate Alliance or an FPS like Stargate Alliance, a game that was cancelled in 2005 and which, I think any reasonable person would agree, has nothing to do with this game other than both games holding the Stargate Licence.

Please keep posts on topic, we don't mind discussion about similar games either - I've not closed discussion about Commandos or Mutant Year Zero...

It is deeply unfair to blame us for the cancellation of the 2005 Stargate FPS, and it really is extremely off-topic for this forum.

[Powellinho.72]

Originally posted by Sebsch天皇:

As i said. I love Stargate Even SGU. I rly want a game using this kind of franchise to succeed but i have my doubts. Reading some of the discussions i think this game will suck a lot. Already watching the previous gameplays was a pain. Seemed very boring and not at all providing the typical Stargate flair. I hope i am wrong but ♥♥♥♥. Why dont make an action first person RPG with the Stargate lore? Its so obvious. Would be a better Starfield.

Probably because it would cost more money. This type of game cheaper to make, and the price reflects it at 24.99 GBP. Might be one of those, low risk lets try this and see how it goes before they decide to make a riskier more ambitious game.

[Luc]

Originally posted by Edmon:

It is deeply unfair to blame us for the cancellation of the 2005 Stargate FPS, and it really is extremely off-topic for this forum.

What about Stargate Network and other fangames?
Which ones received a cease and desist order shortly after Timekeepers announcement.

You could ask MGM or Amazon to remove it.

SGN could have coexisted with Timekeepers, not the same type of game at all.
But it seems more like a fear of unfair competition and I guess it's quite convenient for you, especially considering the negative reviews your game has received here.

Thank you for responding before closing this topic. No criticism here, just facts.

[Edmon]

Originally posted by Luc:

What about Stargate Network and other fangames?
Which ones received a cease and desist order shortly after Timekeepers announcement.

Stargate Network was being developed on and off for 15 years, and started just a few years after Alliance was cancelled. The team behind Stargate Network should have obtained a licence but did not, for whatever reason(s), do so in the entire 15 years of working on it. To say that the cease and desist came "immediately after" Timekeepers was annouced is extremely misleading, I believe discussions about the need for a licence were had years before.

To be absolutely clear: We do not control the IP. In the same way that developers of Warhammer 40,000 games do not control the IP for Warhammer 40,000, they obtain a licence from Games Workshop. We obtained a licence from MGM/Amazon.

Unathorized use of an IP must be challenged, or legally you can lose control of the IP to the public domain. This is why Nintendo is so aggressive about shutting down fan projects, as they lost control of an early version of Donkey Kong to this very issue.

We love Stargate and would have loved to have seen an FPS or similar. In fact, we made a Starship Troopers Strategy game and another Studio, on seeing the success of that game, made an FPS right after. We make strategy games, we don't see FPS games as competition.

All we're asking is that people discuss Timekeepers in the Timekeepers forum, good or bad, now that the game is so close to release. It is not fair to blame us for what has happened to previous Stargate projects. We're a different team, it wasn't us, blame for these issues is misdirected and is unfair.

Thank you.

[Sebsch天皇]

Yeah i tried the demo now. Didnt even play for 10 mins. lol

[Sebsch天皇]

Originally posted by Lord Dazed & Insane:

It's a shame how the IP is being treated. This game looks terrible

And it actually plays terrible. Its just boring. Sorry for the hate, but its true. Also the "lore" feels poorly written. Crashing in the middle of nowehre in antarctica with your fighterjet and ofc a friend appears out of the middle of nowhere and jaffas are everywhere???? who thinks this makes me engaged in anything?

[Sebsch天皇]

Originally posted by Powellinho.72:

Originally posted by Sebsch天皇:

As i said. I love Stargate Even SGU. I rly want a game using this kind of franchise to succeed but i have my doubts. Reading some of the discussions i think this game will suck a lot. Already watching the previous gameplays was a pain. Seemed very boring and not at all providing the typical Stargate flair. I hope i am wrong but ♥♥♥♥. Why dont make an action first person RPG with the Stargate lore? Its so obvious. Would be a better Starfield.

Probably because it would cost more money. This type of game cheaper to make, and the price reflects it at 24.99 GBP. Might be one of those, low risk lets try this and see how it goes before they decide to make a riskier more ambitious game.

Yeah i can see that. Dont think this game will pay off sadly. I still hope the best but i wont buy it for sure, tho as i said. LOVE Stargate. Still watch the series every now and then. Even SGU. lel

[Jamisia]

It's a Stargate game so it has to be really, really, really bad for me not to play it. It's a Stargate game.

[Powellinho.72]

Originally posted by Sebsch天皇:

Originally posted by Powellinho.72:

Probably because it would cost more money. This type of game cheaper to make, and the price reflects it at 24.99 GBP. Might be one of those, low risk lets try this and see how it goes before they decide to make a riskier more ambitious game.

Yeah i can see that. Dont think this game will pay off sadly. I still hope the best but i wont buy it for sure, tho as i said. LOVE Stargate. Still watch the series every now and then. Even SGU. lel

I watched it as a kid, loved the show even though i wasnt sure what was going on half the time lol

[Sebsch天皇]

Originally posted by Jamisia:

It's a Stargate game so it has to be really, really, really bad for me not to play it. It's a Stargate game.

Yeah sadly for me this is the case. Hope you can enjoy it tho.

[Inquerion]

Originally posted by Edmon:

Originally posted by Luc:

What about Stargate Network and other fangames?
Which ones received a cease and desist order shortly after Timekeepers announcement.

Stargate Network was being developed on and off for 15 years, and started just a few years after Alliance was cancelled. The team behind Stargate Network should have obtained a licence but did not, for whatever reason(s), do so in the entire 15 years of working on it. To say that the cease and desist came "immediately after" Timekeepers was annouced is extremely misleading, I believe discussions about the need for a licence were had years before.

To be absolutely clear: We do not control the IP. In the same way that developers of Warhammer 40,000 games do not control the IP for Warhammer 40,000, they obtain a licence from Games Workshop. We obtained a licence from MGM/Amazon.

Unathorized use of an IP must be challenged, or legally you can lose control of the IP to the public domain. This is why Nintendo is so aggressive about shutting down fan projects, as they lost control of an early version of Donkey Kong to this very issue.

We love Stargate and would have loved to have seen an FPS or similar. In fact, we made a Starship Troopers Strategy game and another Studio, on seeing the success of that game, made an FPS right after. We make strategy games, we don't see FPS games as competition.

All we're asking is that people discuss Timekeepers in the Timekeepers forum, good or bad, now that the game is so close to release. It is not fair to blame us for what has happened to previous Stargate projects. We're a different team, it wasn't us, blame for these issues is misdirected and is unfair.

Thank you.

Why you decided to make a Stargate game set in such a niche genre (Stealth strategy/RTT; whatever the current name for the genre is)?
It was certain that it will flop.

FPS or Action RPG like Mass Effect would sell very well.

Of course, that would require higher budget from MGM/Amazon/Publisher, but potential was there.

But let's assume that IP owners are blind and don't want our money, so budget stays the same.

In that case, even classic RTS like Age of Empires, Jagged Alliance clone (JA3 was released this year and it's very good) or cheap isometric RPG on Unity would sell better than Stealth strategy. Because it's a complete niche.

This game will flop and will be abandoned and forgotten next year. Wasted potential. A shame that your passion was wasted. Of course, I still wish you luck and thanks for your hard work on the game.

However SteamDB numbers for Timekeepers are terrible.
One day before release and only 15k followers...
Will this game even reach 1000 players 24h peak?

15,553 followers
#224 in wishlists
#1677 in top sellers

https://steamdb.info/app/1523650/charts/

[Kiesel]

Love Stargate, but watching the trailer made me go..."what has this to do with Stargate?". I'd have expected something completely different. This looks very bland and boring.