How much sap does the sugar shack hold?

[Guts]

I've seen lots of guides about how much the shack holds with upgrades, but I can't figure out how much the evaporator holds with no tank. I'd like to be able to run it and then come back to it when it's more full, because I don't have enough trees to keep it running all day yet.

[Marek15]

The sugar shack starts with a 9600L tank, so you don't need to rely on capacity of the evaporator.
If you don't have enough trees you can skip running the evaporator every other day.
You only need to keep the generator running every day between 09.00 and 16.00 to pump the sap.

And if you really want to know, the evaporator stores 840L of sap. That is equal to 21L of syrup.

[fbane]

Don't worry about how much anything can hold. With the night speeding up you'll never catch up

Focus on trees and upgrading the shack.

[Guts]

I have a grove of maples growing, and 11 trees hooked up to the pump right now. I'm ready for when the 40 or so maples that I planted grow up. I guess I could just stock up on food and drink, then skip time with the computer until the trees are grown. I'm just trying to stack maple syrup barrels for profit, since I just got the shack running. I didn't realise that there is a tank on the starting sugar shack because I can't see it anywhere to check the capacity.

Should I just skip time until my maples are grown? I can afford food, drink, and fuel no problem. I'm just trying to break into actual profit instead of subsistence. Thanks for the advice..

[fbane]

Originally posted by N473:

I have a grove of maples growing, and 11 trees hooked up to the pump right now. I'm ready for when the 40 or so maples that I planted grow up. I guess I could just stock up on food and drink, then skip time with the computer until the trees are grown. I'm just trying to stack maple syrup barrels for profit, since I just got the shack running. I didn't realise that there is a tank on the starting sugar shack because I can't see it anywhere to check the capacity.

Should I just skip time until my maples are grown? I can afford food, drink, and fuel no problem. I'm just trying to break into actual profit instead of subsistence. Thanks for the advice..

You need at least 250-300 in total to ensure production is always good with all the upgrades.

That will give you an idea of how much you need to go.

[johndole1981]

Fbane is right, you need around 300 trees to fill both tanks by the time sap stops flowing if you are making syrup the whole time and are fully upgraded. This gives you the maximum production capabilities. But you are at the point where the money will start to flow way better. The game gets a little easier here, but this is when the maple grind really starts.

[Marek15]

You don't need as much as 300 trees. After exactly 173 trees the returns will significantly diminish.

From looking at the game code and doing some quick math:

A fully upgraded shack can process up to 36000L of sap a day. You can't pump any more sap than that.
The amount of sap that all maple trees produce is randomized each ingame day, between 64L and 208L.
So the number of trees to hit max production on a good day: 36000 / 208 = 173 trees.
And on a bad day: 36000 / 64 = 563 trees.
The average sap production with 173 trees is: 173 * (64 + 208)/2 = 23528L per day.
With 563 trees the production will always hit the limit of 36000L per day.
Planting 225% more trees for just 53% more production is not really worth the effort.

[fbane]

Originally posted by Marek15:

You don't need as much as 300 trees. After exactly 173 trees the returns will significantly diminish.

From looking at the game code and doing some quick math:

A fully upgraded shack can process up to 36000L of sap a day. You can't pump any more sap than that.
The amount of sap that all maple trees produce is randomized each ingame day, between 64L and 208L.
So the number of trees to hit max production on a good day: 36000 / 208 = 173 trees.
And on a bad day: 36000 / 64 = 563 trees.
The average sap production with 173 trees is: 173 * (64 + 208)/2 = 23528L per day.
With 563 trees the production will always hit the limit of 36000L per day.
Planting 225% more trees for just 53% more production is not really worth the effort.

And do you know what the median between 173 and 563 is? 368.

So.. if you want the happy medium between the worst and best.. as I said 300 trees will suffice just fine.

[johndole1981]

Originally posted by Marek15:

You don't need as much as 300 trees. After exactly 173 trees the returns will significantly diminish.

From looking at the game code and doing some quick math:

A fully upgraded shack can process up to 36000L of sap a day. You can't pump any more sap than that.
The amount of sap that all maple trees produce is randomized each ingame day, between 64L and 208L.
So the number of trees to hit max production on a good day: 36000 / 208 = 173 trees.
And on a bad day: 36000 / 64 = 563 trees.
The average sap production with 173 trees is: 173 * (64 + 208)/2 = 23528L per day.
With 563 trees the production will always hit the limit of 36000L per day.
Planting 225% more trees for just 53% more production is not really worth the effort.

At one point it’s no longer about production, but more about decorating. I lined all the trails on the property with trees and am working on going around the perimeter of the property now. I’ve got 2 million in the bank, a couple hundred full barrels of maple, and at least 50 huge packs of the devil’s lettuce all waiting if I need more cash. At this point, anything I do in the game is just because I’m bored with the other games I have so I’m messing around on this one for a while. And, sometimes you just have to take a lesson from LetsGameItOut and try to destroy the frame rate for no reason.

[Marek15]

Originally posted by fbane:

And do you know what the median between 173 and 563 is? 368.

So.. if you want the happy medium between the worst and best.. as I said 300 trees will suffice just fine.

Nope.
173 trees gives you 65% of of the maximum production possible. Calling that the "the worst" is silly.

It's all about efficiency.
Up to 173, every tree adds an average of 136L of sap per day.
With 300 trees, every tree past 173 adds an average 72.5L of sap per day.
Is that worth the extra effort and a potential fps loss on weaker systems?

[Marek15]

Originally posted by johndole1981:

At one point it’s no longer about production, but more about decorating. I lined all the trails on the property with trees and am working on going around the perimeter of the property now. I’ve got 2 million in the bank, a couple hundred full barrels of maple, and at least 50 huge packs of the devil’s lettuce all waiting if I need more cash. At this point, anything I do in the game is just because I’m bored with the other games I have so I’m messing around on this one for a while. And, sometimes you just have to take a lesson from LetsGameItOut and try to destroy the frame rate for no reason.

Than why recommend a new player they "need" to plant an excessive number of trees? Makes no sense.

[Guts]

My grove is a day or two from being fully grown. I'm going to need way more hoses. One more thing: Will I ever be able to clip the trees I already clipped?

[Marek15]

Originally posted by N473:

My grove is a day or two from being fully grown. I'm going to need way more hoses. One more thing: Will I ever be able to clip the trees I already clipped?

You can clip trees again after two weeks.

[johndole1981]

Originally posted by Marek15:

Originally posted by johndole1981:

At one point it’s no longer about production, but more about decorating. I lined all the trails on the property with trees and am working on going around the perimeter of the property now. I’ve got 2 million in the bank, a couple hundred full barrels of maple, and at least 50 huge packs of the devil’s lettuce all waiting if I need more cash. At this point, anything I do in the game is just because I’m bored with the other games I have so I’m messing around on this one for a while. And, sometimes you just have to take a lesson from LetsGameItOut and try to destroy the frame rate for no reason.

Than why recommend a new player they "need" to plant an excessive number of trees? Makes no sense.

Because if you want maximum production, then you need to have that many trees. Trees don’t cost you anything but some time, so why would you just give up before hitting max production? It is just idiotic to me. A game I have been playing for a couple years now waiting for new stuff to be added and you are making up excuses why you shouldn’t play the game the right way. Also, your idiotic “efficiency” theory is wrong. If someone wants to make the most syrup they can, you telling them to plant less than half of the trees they need is just 100% wrong. Trees don’t cost you anything, you don’t have to feed, water or take care of them in any manner, so your efficiency scale means nothing. If planting trees once that will permanently raise your production, that’s an increase in output, and that outweighs the time invested by a lot. Think of it this way, if he listens to you, he will be stuck at half of the production he can make. That means his income is half as much and it takes twice as long to save up for things in the game. How does that help at all? It doesn’t. You math is flawed because you aren’t factoring in everything. Yes, after a certain point, you get less benefit for each tree planted. But, continuing to plant and hook up trees does increase your daily production, so it exponentially increases the profit vs effort invested with every hour that goes by. Basically, you are only looking at the short term and not the long term. 2 hours of initial investment, broken up into small amounts of time actually planting or hooking up lines, and that gets you 25-50% more production for the rest of the time you play the game. When you look at the sap production highs and lows, it averages out to roughly 33% more production if you have the extra trees. That’s like having your boss tell you he will permanently increase your pay by 1/3 if you simply put in 2 more hours of work one single time. Use your head, because you really aren’t in this situation.

[Marek15]

Originally posted by johndole1981:

Because if you want maximum production, then you need to have that many trees. Trees don’t cost you anything but some time, so why would you just give up before hitting max production? It is just idiotic to me. A game I have been playing for a couple years now waiting for new stuff to be added and you are making up excuses why you shouldn’t play the game the right way. Also, your idiotic “efficiency” theory is wrong. If someone wants to make the most syrup they can, you telling them to plant less than half of the trees they need is just 100% wrong. Trees don’t cost you anything, you don’t have to feed, water or take care of them in any manner, so your efficiency scale means nothing. If planting trees once that will permanently raise your production, that’s an increase in output, and that outweighs the time invested by a lot. Think of it this way, if he listens to you, he will be stuck at half of the production he can make. That means his income is half as much and it takes twice as long to save up for things in the game. How does that help at all? It doesn’t. You math is flawed because you aren’t factoring in everything. Yes, after a certain point, you get less benefit for each tree planted. But, continuing to plant and hook up trees does increase your daily production, so it exponentially increases the profit vs effort invested with every hour that goes by. Basically, you are only looking at the short term and not the long term. 2 hours of initial investment, broken up into small amounts of time actually planting or hooking up lines, and that gets you 25-50% more production for the rest of the time you play the game. When you look at the sap production highs and lows, it averages out to roughly 33% more production if you have the extra trees. That’s like having your boss tell you he will permanently increase your pay by 1/3 if you simply put in 2 more hours of work one single time. Use your head, because you really aren’t in this situation.

A long post filled with personal insults. My favorites!

It is perplexing to see some gamers get so defensive when discussing how a game is played.
Do they feel as if their fun is being invalidated? Do they view differing opinions as personal attacks? Do they feel insecure about their own skills and strategies?

Whatever the case may be, maybe those issues are best discussed with therapist rather than expressing them online through personal insults.

[johndole1981]

Originally posted by Marek15:

Originally posted by johndole1981:

Because if you want maximum production, then you need to have that many trees. Trees don’t cost you anything but some time, so why would you just give up before hitting max production? It is just idiotic to me. A game I have been playing for a couple years now waiting for new stuff to be added and you are making up excuses why you shouldn’t play the game the right way. Also, your idiotic “efficiency” theory is wrong. If someone wants to make the most syrup they can, you telling them to plant less than half of the trees they need is just 100% wrong. Trees don’t cost you anything, you don’t have to feed, water or take care of them in any manner, so your efficiency scale means nothing. If planting trees once that will permanently raise your production, that’s an increase in output, and that outweighs the time invested by a lot. Think of it this way, if he listens to you, he will be stuck at half of the production he can make. That means his income is half as much and it takes twice as long to save up for things in the game. How does that help at all? It doesn’t. You math is flawed because you aren’t factoring in everything. Yes, after a certain point, you get less benefit for each tree planted. But, continuing to plant and hook up trees does increase your daily production, so it exponentially increases the profit vs effort invested with every hour that goes by. Basically, you are only looking at the short term and not the long term. 2 hours of initial investment, broken up into small amounts of time actually planting or hooking up lines, and that gets you 25-50% more production for the rest of the time you play the game. When you look at the sap production highs and lows, it averages out to roughly 33% more production if you have the extra trees. That’s like having your boss tell you he will permanently increase your pay by 1/3 if you simply put in 2 more hours of work one single time. Use your head, because you really aren’t in this situation.

A long post filled with personal insults. My favorites!

It is perplexing to see some gamers get so defensive when discussing how a game is played.
Do they feel as if their fun is being invalidated? Do they view differing opinions as personal attacks? Do they feel insecure about their own skills and strategies?

Whatever the case may be, maybe those issues are best discussed with therapist rather than expressing them online through personal insults.

No, you have that wrong. It’s a post with FACTS that disprove your idiotic lies. If it’s insulting to you, that’s because you don’t like being exposed as a liar. But, it’s true and your math was a fail.

Lmao, your second paragraph is just you projecting. A gamer would be someone who games for a living, that not me. I’m a machinist and engine builder that plays games to relax and have fun. I also call out liars and people that are horrible at math, so that’s 2 reasons you were called out. But, you are throwing a fit instead of actually learning something from what I wrote. Again, you spread lies and tried, poorly at that, to ruin someone else’s game with lies and bad info. Of course I’m going to stop you from lying and giving bad advice. I would be a bad person like you if I didn’t call out your lies. Don’t change the subject, this is about you lying and giving bad advice, not people attacking you for no reason.

Again, you are tying to change the subject. You weren’t called out for “invalidating fun”. You were called out for spreading lies and horrible math that was wrong. Nothing else, just calling out blatant lies and bad math.

More projecting. If anyone need mental help, it’s you. The guy who lied and can’t do math is now upset that he was proven wrong. So instead of accepting reality, you are lying even more and trying to accuse me of something that is untrue. You aren’t even going to argue any of my facts because you know I am right. So instead, you try to play the victim.

Get your facts straight, you were giving bad advice and I corrected you so you didn’t ruin someone else’s game. You didn’t cover a single one of my corrections, you just made a post trying to pretend you are the victim, when you started the whole thing by calling me out for not sucking at math like you do. I do t know why you are lying and trying to ruin someone else’s game, but that is what you were doing to them when you tried to prevent them from being able to get the last 1/3 of their production. You were wrong and you know it, but you are playing the victim just to try to not look stupid. The thing is, you only made it worse. You are still wrong and I am still right. Facts are facts and your feelings don’t matter.