Chopper

[Slo]

Is this OP thing ever going to be nerfed? I am seeing 70:0 people playing with it every damn night, doesn't it sound like it needs to be nerfed asap? Chopper needs to be nerfed for at least 50%.

[asl pls thx]

OP? They must be easy to learn and play then. Let me know how you do going 70:0 in one.

[[ACPL] Jon]

Originally posted by asl pls thx:

OP? They must be easy to learn and play then. Let me know how you do going 70:0 in one.

This is the dumbest excuse for this atrocious balancing I've ever seen. No, the "skill ceiling", "mastery curve" and whatnot doesn't excuse anything - I can be 1337 360 noscope skillz0r @ running Wildcat, sniper rifles, anti-tank, C5's anything - and I'm just about as killable as everyone else, without MASSIVELY shifting the match balance to my side favor.

If my team carries more than half of the team on it's back - we lose, because even in 32v32, 4 man team can only cap \ defend \ cause so much havoc.

Unlike a single NightBird guy who can single-handely, without that many threats remove all enemy armor and \ or kill plenty of infantry, MORE THAN A 4 MAN TEAM.

Jets can't cause 1/10 of that havoc and surprisingly are still easier to take down.

Tanks? Don't even get me started on that. You show up in a tank, you're getting hit from few sides the moment you show up on any exposed (or next to any elevation, really) position.

Infantry? Like I said, 4 man teams can kill less than NightBird over 10 minutes.

Oh, and infantry can't suddenly turn on invincibility because they crouched.

This is so absurd I can't even fathom what is going on through your, or NB designers heads.

This ♥♥♥♥ is so ridiciolous, a man got stream-bullied just because he played NB. And until the very "dickest" thing they've done, most will applaud the bullies. Why? Because the dude finally felt what it is like to get his fun trashed by something he can't win against.

[Boro666]

Nightbird is insane and super annoying. Other helis are OK, but this one is way too powerfull. If someone can pilot it it's basically impossible to shoot it down, especially on foot and on normal. Just try to ignore it and avoid them. Sometimes when I get annoyed too much I take AA, but really it's just waste of your time, to be honest.

[[ACPL] Jon]

Exactly.

Transport helis can't really do much against Wildcat, y'know, designated AA vehicle. Good.
Combat helis can go toe-to-toe with them, chances are somewhat even. Stealth helis also, with skilled crews on both sides the hunt might go on even for 15 or more minutes.

But then, enter the NightBird. Smallest, supposedly least tough heli made for direct infantry support which can somehow succesfully bully half the server, incl. armor and dedicated AA.

And then walk it off into the sunset. Because either someone at DICE really loves this heli being OP or they are afraid of the "running almost only NightBirds" streamers backlash.

Stellar ♥♥♥♥♥♥' design.

[Slo]

Yes they are extremely OP and you have so many try harders playing them. They are so fast in the air, and thanks to DICE we have so many open maps where they can slaughter people who just came to shoot a round or two before bedtime. All other air vehicles are just fine and I understand that they have to be a part of the game, but you can’t convince me that a small damn chopper can have 5x more influence to the game than heavy tank. That is just non sense.

[primski]

helis have been OP in every BF game

you can shoot down blackbird with a Lis's rocket in one shot
one guy with AA is pretty useless as you only have 3 rockets and they replenish flares too fast, but getting three people with AA is pretty much impossible but it would get the job done

[[ACPL] Jon]

Originally posted by primski:

helis have been OP in every BF game

you can shoot down blackbird with a Lis's rocket in one shot
one guy with AA is pretty useless as you only have 3 rockets and they replenish flares too fast, but getting three people with AA is pretty much impossible but it would get the job done

That's the problem.

1337 Lis AA hunters are almost as rare as 3x Stinger AA and somehow devs haven't accounted for that. So whenever good NB pilot shows up, the whole match gets ruined for one side.

[Slo]

By the comments so far, I see that many players are on the same page - chopper being op and needs to be nerfed.

[Nana Osakiiii]

yeah they are horrible. AA will sometimes hit them and sometimes not. Even though this is a team based game, only a few will try to hit them. And dice will never nerf them.

[Kälävätys]

I can take out any air vehicle but not the Nightbird, with Wildcat. None of them are easy like a walk in the park, but I can keep shooting the tiny heli for half an hour and it feels like either it has 10,000,000 hit points or it is so small that 70% of your shots miss it automatically.

Nightbird is so nimble it can change direction in a heartbeat, and because of the firepower it has you as an AA are in big trouble if others in your team are not helping you. It's crazy how much damage it does, I've seen it killing a tank within a few seconds all the while I'm shooting at it and doing pretty much nothing. And yes, I do use the machine gun primary weapons on Wildcat. It's easier to drop with an sniper rifle than with AA, and even that needs a lot of luck.

[Gonzo850]

Originally posted by Nanaaaa:

yeah they are horrible. AA will sometimes hit them and sometimes not. Even though this is a team based game, only a few will try to hit them. And dice will never nerf them.

This guy became a pro with the helo and started getting stream sniped. The whole team hunting him down and still lasts a very long time. Definitely op.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1663217974990491649

[asl pls thx]

Originally posted by ACPL Jon:

Originally posted by asl pls thx:

OP? They must be easy to learn and play then. Let me know how you do going 70:0 in one.

This is the dumbest excuse for this atrocious balancing I've ever seen. No, the "skill ceiling", "mastery curve" and whatnot doesn't excuse anything - I can be 1337 360 noscope skillz0r @ running Wildcat, sniper rifles, anti-tank, C5's anything - and I'm just about as killable as everyone else, without MASSIVELY shifting the match balance to my side favor.

If my team carries more than half of the team on it's back - we lose, because even in 32v32, 4 man team can only cap \ defend \ cause so much havoc.

Unlike a single NightBird guy who can single-handely, without that many threats remove all enemy armor and \ or kill plenty of infantry, MORE THAN A 4 MAN TEAM.

Jets can't cause 1/10 of that havoc and surprisingly are still easier to take down.

Tanks? Don't even get me started on that. You show up in a tank, you're getting hit from few sides the moment you show up on any exposed (or next to any elevation, really) position.

Infantry? Like I said, 4 man teams can kill less than NightBird over 10 minutes.

Oh, and infantry can't suddenly turn on invincibility because they crouched.

This is so absurd I can't even fathom what is going on through your, or NB designers heads.

This ♥♥♥♥ is so ridiciolous, a man got stream-bullied just because he played NB. And until the very "dickest" thing they've done, most will applaud the bullies. Why? Because the dude finally felt what it is like to get his fun trashed by something he can't win against.

Not sure I understand your argument. Of course a skilled player in a vehicle is going to be able to out perform an enemy on foot? multiple enemies on foot? that's the point? Vehicles are ultimately what set BF games apart from other shooters and in this game I'd argue they're the weakest they've ever been.

Complaints about the Nightbird? what game mode are you playing? I don't think I've ever seen one dominate a match since the early days when the rockets actually used to do damage. And if they're dealing with vehicles that means they have AGMs equipped so either they are snipers with the 7.62mm Miniguns (very high skill) or are using the 20mm Cannons for infantry (which can kill about one person on foot per overheat realistically) - the trade off there is they are extremely vulnerable to other air if they don't have the Miniguns equipped.

It seems like everyone who complains about how OP they are have never actually taken the time to use them.

SOFLAM + Rao + any one of the 1000 engineers = no more air vehicles. The exception to this is the stealth helicopter which you can balance flares + stealth to remain alive for a long time, but then you have no self repair and ultimately have very little hit points with a slow health regen. Every other air vehicle has one set of flares - if they're being popped the air vehicle has to retreat and cannot actively output any damage so even if you're not killing them they don't have time to be effective.

I have T1 with the Hannibal and the Wildcat so speaking from both sides it's much easier to deal with air than it is to play it. If you are struggling to kill any of the air vehicles in a Wildcat with 30mm AA (or any of the vehicles with 20mm Flak (even LATV4 now) then I don't know what to say but the game has included a plethora of tools to deal with air and if used they're extremely effective.

[Dain_Ironfoot]

Yeah I love wasting hours trying to shoot them down with AA... so much fun.

[Slo]

Originally posted by asl pls thx:

Originally posted by ACPL Jon:

This is the dumbest excuse for this atrocious balancing I've ever seen. No, the "skill ceiling", "mastery curve" and whatnot doesn't excuse anything - I can be 1337 360 noscope skillz0r @ running Wildcat, sniper rifles, anti-tank, C5's anything - and I'm just about as killable as everyone else, without MASSIVELY shifting the match balance to my side favor.

If my team carries more than half of the team on it's back - we lose, because even in 32v32, 4 man team can only cap \ defend \ cause so much havoc.

Unlike a single NightBird guy who can single-handely, without that many threats remove all enemy armor and \ or kill plenty of infantry, MORE THAN A 4 MAN TEAM.

Jets can't cause 1/10 of that havoc and surprisingly are still easier to take down.

Tanks? Don't even get me started on that. You show up in a tank, you're getting hit from few sides the moment you show up on any exposed (or next to any elevation, really) position.

Infantry? Like I said, 4 man teams can kill less than NightBird over 10 minutes.

Oh, and infantry can't suddenly turn on invincibility because they crouched.

This is so absurd I can't even fathom what is going on through your, or NB designers heads.

This ♥♥♥♥ is so ridiciolous, a man got stream-bullied just because he played NB. And until the very "dickest" thing they've done, most will applaud the bullies. Why? Because the dude finally felt what it is like to get his fun trashed by something he can't win against.

Not sure I understand your argument. Of course a skilled player in a vehicle is going to be able to out perform an enemy on foot? multiple enemies on foot? that's the point? Vehicles are ultimately what set BF games apart from other shooters and in this game I'd argue they're the weakest they've ever been.

Complaints about the Nightbird? what game mode are you playing? I don't think I've ever seen one dominate a match since the early days when the rockets actually used to do damage. And if they're dealing with vehicles that means they have AGMs equipped so either they are snipers with the 7.62mm Miniguns (very high skill) or are using the 20mm Cannons for infantry (which can kill about one person on foot per overheat realistically) - the trade off there is they are extremely vulnerable to other air if they don't have the Miniguns equipped.

It seems like everyone who complains about how OP they are have never actually taken the time to use them.

SOFLAM + Rao + any one of the 1000 engineers = no more air vehicles. The exception to this is the stealth helicopter which you can balance flares + stealth to remain alive for a long time, but then you have no self repair and ultimately have very little hit points with a slow health regen. Every other air vehicle has one set of flares - if they're being popped the air vehicle has to retreat and cannot actively output any damage so even if you're not killing them they don't have time to be effective.

I have T1 with the Hannibal and the Wildcat so speaking from both sides it's much easier to deal with air than it is to play it. If you are struggling to kill any of the air vehicles in a Wildcat with 30mm AA (or any of the vehicles with 20mm Flak (even LATV4 now) then I don't know what to say but the game has included a plethora of tools to deal with air and if used they're extremely effective.

Conquest 128, I even saw dudes flying fast as f through the building in the middle of Caleidoscope map. Road killing and slaying everyone with machine turrets, and when you pull out your recoiless M5 he’s already on the other side of the map.
The point is that I’m playing bf with my friend and we can take down every single vehicles as we both play engineer class and we rock them with M5, but NB is really pain in the ass that gets us killed more than all other vehicles combined, and we can’t really do ♥♥♥♥ about it other than being a moving target. This week we are all in Infantry breakthrough and it’s really relaxing to play without that birdy.

[Slo]

Btw I’m not that bad in bf, my kd is 2.6 atm so I can definitely make some troubles to the enemy team, but when a hardcore NB player is online, I usually have to switch server or game mode, but more frequently I close bf and play something else.