How is this even possible. Gameplay is worst then BF4

[Enclosure]

HOW?!

[jeffpmaxs6]

Originally posted by Turbo Nozomix:

Originally posted by jeffpmaxs6:

BF3 I played mostly Operation Firestorm and Caspian Border. But, starting with 1942 and BF2 the maps seem simple, but worked. But, BF4 it seems like they started listening to all the criers from BF3 and started changing the maps to suit more run and gun.

I wouldn't say that Battlefield 4 did as much as it should have to shift the focus back towards squad play, as it was in Battlefield 2.

I’ll give you run/gun starting in BF3, since it actually had TM DM, CQ, Metro, plus players played medic. Lol. That wasn’t how I played though and would say more how the new players played. And my guess is they were coming from console, so I would say PC and console was separate, until all the console players joined PC.

But, no way did BF4 go back to it’s roots and if anything only simplify the game further. The only focus they took off lone wolf was punishing snipers and trying to force TM play. When I sniped in BF3 I could pretty much just stay a few feet out of machine gun range. Lol. I don’t know when they changed the range of machine guns, but snipers also had a effective DRM, but BF4 made the DMR useless, plus gave it to every class.

Not to mention taking the sniper marksmanship bonus points away, because people cried snipers were leading the chart. If I was leading, it wasn’t a good sign. Lol. “Snipers are useless” everyone that was shot in the head sign that petition, but that doesn’t make it true. Lol. I think snipers were important to the game, because it contributes to the map lay out.

I think there was room in BF3 for everyone to play. Snipers, jets, tanks and all the other classes. And each person could excel in their class and lead the boards, but no snipers got hated and the same for jets. I was double hated flying as recon. Guess I was doing it wrong. Lol

Snipers got prejudge, even though I change classes as needed. I think the flying dildo was to counter snipers hiding behind a rock vs learning to snipe. The same for learning to fly a jet they rather be able to take it out on foot or in the AA vs learning to fly. Or being on the computer using a computer in game to fly some gismo to do their fighting for them. Tanks had auto lock on and if I’m not mistaking to do that in BF3 I think it took a 3rd person or someone spotting in the tank.

So what they up the squad. Following orders gave them perks and more advantaged. And who listen to what the commander says. Lol BF2 was different when you had to go blow something up. It was just more advantage not to mention the plane that flew over head.

So run/gun may have started in BF3, but BF4 just made it worse and more noob friendly.

[Jez]

i just wana say BFV has anti-cheat now, apparently BF1 gets it this Wednesday

[v^v^v^v^√\/]

Originally posted by Turbo Nozomix:

Being able to precisely identity the reasons for a belief generally indicates the opposite of not having an idea of what one is talking about. There's only one of us who has been able to do that, and it isn't you.

All what you say sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me, like black is white and white is black.
There is nothing to "identify" or single out here.
Every word you say is nonsense.
So I see no reason to argue with you. You see the world differently, that's all.

Just an example of thise nonsense:
"Unlike Bf3, Bf4 had a good number of great maps to play"

Kharg Island
Caspian Border
Damavand Peak
Noshahr Canals
Operation Firestorm
Operation Metro
Seine Crossing
Tehran
Grand Bazaar

Those are maps from _base_ BF3. You didn't need to buy Premium to play those. And those are one of the best maps in all BF games.

Some of them were "reimagined" in later BFs due to huge popularity.
Like: Caspian Border, Metro, Operation Firestorm

People even created mod for Insurgency Sandstorm with Noshahr Canals map.

And this is only a start. There were also excellent maps in DLCs. I have trouble to recall even a single bad map in this game.

[Turbo Nozomix]

Originally posted by v^v^v^v^√\/:

Originally posted by Turbo Nozomix:

Being able to precisely identity the reasons for a belief generally indicates the opposite of not having an idea of what one is talking about. There's only one of us who has been able to do that, and it isn't you.

All what you say sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me, like black is white and white is black.
There is nothing to "identify" or single out here.
Every word you say is nonsense.
So I see no reason to argue with you. You see the world differently, that's all.

Yet you're trying to argue, but failingly. It really seems like you've created a personal mythology and dogma over Battlefield 3, and so the mere mention of some sober observation makes you incredulous. Which is to say that to characterise your view on the matter as something other than a strong personal bias would be nonsense.

Just an example of thise nonsense:
"Unlike Bf3, Bf4 had a good number of great maps to play"

Kharg Island
Caspian Border
Damavand Peak
Noshahr Canals
Operation Firestorm
Operation Metro
Seine Crossing
Tehran
Grand Bazaar

Those are maps from _base_ BF3. You didn't need to buy Premium to play those. And those are one of the best maps in all BF games.

None of those are close to being among the best maps in Battlefield. How much of Battlefield have you even played?

It's very weird that you're suggesting those maps are something to be impressed with. For the most part, they're mediocre, if not bad, and I would've named many of them as examples of Battlefield 3's launch maps being worse than Battlefield 4's.

I guess you've just developed a very particular taste. But suggesting "Nosehair Canals", Grand Bazaar, Tehran Highway as good, or stand-out maps? Are you trying to troll me? You're glorifying many maps that are uninspired in concept, visually boring, I'd say unengaging, and small. And it doesn't seem right to call small, close-quarters maps the best of any Battlefield game, as that's not Battlefield's focus. I You're saying that you prefer Call of Duty gameplay, which is what DICE was chasing with those maps, and is where those maps would be representative, rather than be out of place. But in terms of Battlefield, they're bad.

There's a good reason why Battlefield 3's player base became practically dead years ago, while Battlefield 4's continued to thrive.

Some of them were "reimagined" in later BFs due to huge popularity.
Like: Caspian Border, Metro, Operation Firestorm

They were reimagined in Battlefield 4, just like four Battlefield 2 maps were reimagined (but for the worse) in Battlefield 3 (and a couple were in Battlefield 4). The quality and size difference between those maps' Bf2 and Bf3 versions reflects the quality and scope difference between Bf2 and Bf3 - with Bf3 being the inferior, much smaller-scope product. Yet the inferior Bf3 versions of Bf2 maps are on par with Bf3's best original maps, which makes the point opposite to yours.

The Bf3 maps you mentioned can be regarded as Battlefield 3's most popular maps. But in Battlefield 4, they're generally just some additional maps and attract no special attention over other maps - with the exception of Operation Metro, which continues to have some servers dedicated to it. But that's a particular crowd, which only plays Metro and Locker, to have log-jamming spam-fests in choke points. I think Firestorm is even one of Bf4's worse and least-played maps. While Caspian Border is just another map. So, the general player consensus doesn't seem to corroborate your sentimentality.

And this is only a start. There were also excellent maps in DLCs. I have trouble to recall even a single bad map in this game.

Well, it's a terrible start, because those maps are much worse than what Battlefield 4 offered, and than what Battlefield 2 offered. They're also worse than what 2042 offers.

It sounds like you cultivated a bit of a personal fetish over Battlefield 3, put it on a mental pedestal, and view its content through dogmatic glasses even most of its fans would have a hard time understanding.

[Kälävätys]

Originally posted by v^v^v^v^√\/:

No, it doesn't stand until I see those polls.

Imagine if there was a way for anyone to type some words into a blank field and hit enter, and you'd get hundreds of results without having to do anything else. How crazy would that be, the knowledge of the entire world on the reach of any person with an access to internet. If only...

[v^v^v^v^√\/]

Originally posted by Visukinttu:

Originally posted by v^v^v^v^√\/:

No, it doesn't stand until I see those polls.

Imagine if there was a way for anyone to type some words into a blank field and hit enter, and you'd get hundreds of results without having to do anything else. How crazy would that be, the knowledge of the entire world on the reach of any person with an access to internet. If only...

Image if you found those results and could copy-paste them here to prove your point...
Nah, not possible.

[Turbo Nozomix]

Originally posted by v^v^v^v^√\/:

Originally posted by Turbo Nozomix:

It sounds like you cultivated a bit of a personal fetish over Battlefield 3, put it on a mental pedestal, and view its content through dogmatic glasses even most of its fans would have a hard time understanding.

Lol, you are a funny little troll.
Good boy.

You're projecting, as everything I told you is true. To call Bf3's map list all good without being ironic is weep-inducing hilariity. The game might have the worst launch map roster in the entire Bf main-series history (and I admit that Bf4 also has one of the weakest launch-map rosters in the series' history - but better than Bf3's). You just like tiny, location-and-terrain uninspired, visually nondescript, run-and-gun, lone wolf arena maps.

It's telling that the Bf3 maps you like are literally the product of EA and DICE selling-out and trying to be as much like CoD as they could, to siphon off of CoD's playerbase and recreate its popularity in Bf. And that you made the case for Bf3 being a CoD wannabe, targeting non-Battlefield players who didn't know what Battlefield is about, right after I had my discussion with jeffpmaxs6 in which I argued that point, is particularly funny, but well-timed to underscore my point.

[kotethreeTFL]

How? im sry bro but sayn bf42 gameplay is worse than bf4 is unbelievable, if u said bf3/1 its ok i will take it , but bf4 ?! if u passed and forgot all the bad things were in bf4 , why to talk now about bf42 that has its issues but still much much better from it . but its ok its ur opinion but maybe u need to give bf42 another chance if u didnt play it these days u will have so fun.

[KiritoSaoFan]

Originally posted by Enclosure:

HOW?!

If u have BF 3 - 4 - 1 have fun with those games, BF 2042 its only space wasted on your SSD.

[Jez]

Originally posted by KiritoSaoFan:

Originally posted by Enclosure:

HOW?!

If u have BF 3 - 4 - 1 have fun with those games, BF 2042 its only space wasted on your SSD.

or 4 - 1 - V . . that's wat i'm doing

[jeffpmaxs6]

BF3-4-1…not only will I agree with OP, but after kicking butt one game and not being able to do anything the next game I will compare 2042 to COD. Not as bad as COD? I’m not to sure about that. Another thing they have in common is I uninstalled COD and 2042 twice so fare.

[Jez]

sory bruv but BFV has a silver lining

[pakoo]

Originally posted by PRAET0R1AN™:

Originally posted by Enclosure:

Yeah bro,. But there's a 10 year gap between both games. Its unreal how bad gaming is right now.

BF4 is considered by the vast majority of the community as "peak battlefield" in terms of gameplay, movement mechanics, Balance, gunplay and so on.

I'm not sure if you've seen the videos about the EA earnings call recently but the next battlefield game is going to be "heavily inspired" by BF3 and BF4.

2042 was something new for the dev team to try, but it ultimately was unsuccessful when compared to previous entries.

I have heard that before and you know what it didn't turned out to be good

[trusstee]

Ah another bait post. play or dont

[☣ RotPest ☣]

Originally posted by PRAET0R1AN™:

I'm not sure if you've seen the videos about the EA earnings call recently but the next battlefield game is going to be "heavily inspired" by BF3 and BF4.

they "said" ? and you beleave that BS do you ? there is no hope for you , no matter how bad a battlefield will be , you will buy it play it be disapointed about it , buy the battlepass every month and hopeing the next one will be better.

you are doomed