Remove the Class system

[Zanleer]

it made the game worse and didn't help how people thought it was going to help.

go back to the original concept of the game. bring in new specialists and remove the class restrictions.

[v^v^v^v^√\/]

Nope, I only bought this game because they introduced the class system.

[Nihil]

BF games always had classes. And as far i remember there was a time this was removed and people cried for it to have it back. So decide already. Would you kindly?

[no3y3h4nd]

No.

[Aggromonk]

Origineel geplaatst door Viking2121:

Lol, I had a feeling the class system wouldn't really work, though I can't really comment on it as I haven't played it since they added it, but this game is too far dedicated to the hero shooter setup that a change like that would probably throw the entire thing off, kinda like how the maps were designed for Hazard zone in mind.

Think they should of just stayed with the class system to begin with personally, I had fun in the portal mode, and I still think thats really the only thing worth my time anyway, only like 1 or 2 maps I like at all in the normal game that has a smooth layout and not some cluster f*** area's where both teams just sit and fight and until the round ends.

I'm going to try and say these things as respectfully as possible..I just woke up so this is going to be all over the place. lol

Dice was simply trying to Update their IP to stay relevant in a market where "hero shooters" were dominating. And honestly, I wouldn't even call it a "hero shooter" because in a HS 1 player can carry a team to victory.. That simply isn't possible without hacks in 2042.

I don't think Dice had anyway of anticipating how ignorant and selfish the BF player base was / is. What removing the class system did was implement an operator system that put in a team composition and communication in as a mechanic.

The problem - There has always been a core group of BF players who played the game as a squad based communication heavy game. I know at least for my friend group and a lot of others this is true. By removing the class restrictions it gave people the freedom to play the game tailored to their personal play style, which is / was awesome.

But Dice had no way of knowing that there was a swath of BF players were simply brain dead press W and left click then respawn players. These are the kinds of players that made PTFO or GTFO a Battlefield mainstay saying. These are the people that the BF community used to call "useless blueberries". The problem was that those people stood out, painfully, in 2042 because there was zero team work. Dice implemented a very nice quick communication system so that you didn't need to even have a mic to play and honestly, they probably anticipated MOST people playing to be in a squad in Discord.

I could honestly probably write an article explaining my thoughts on this. I love this game. I see the community slowly getting better. I just hope that Dice commits to this game for the long term. Because the game is awesome and every update has been great. They're really working their asses off and I would hate to see this game die because the community kills it.

[Freeloader Fred]

Origineel geplaatst door Freeman:

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Cant get any ammo. Add ammo boxes on CP then

honestly? drop ammo counts and add back the attrition system like in BFV. that was probably 1 of the best things dice has ever added, even helped balance out vehicles by making it so they can't just fully repair right on the frontline and they can't just waste all their ammo and replenish it on the frontline.

[Ms. E Girl]

Play customs, there are servers that disables class systems..

[Lord-Knight Fandragon]

Origineel geplaatst door Zanleer:

it made the game worse and didn't help how people thought it was going to help.

go back to the original concept of the game. bring in new specialists and remove the class restrictions.

Or, EA simply tried to half bake a class system on top of w/e garbage they already had and we wind up with a half assed version of both hero shooter and class system.

[psyke]

Origineel geplaatst door Lord-Knight Fandragon:

Origineel geplaatst door Zanleer:

it made the game worse and didn't help how people thought it was going to help.

go back to the original concept of the game. bring in new specialists and remove the class restrictions.

Or, EA simply tried to half bake a class system on top of w/e garbage they already had and we wind up with a half assed version of both hero shooter and class system.

this

[Bullett00th]

Origineel geplaatst door Lord-Knight Fandragon:

Origineel geplaatst door Zanleer:

it made the game worse and didn't help how people thought it was going to help.

go back to the original concept of the game. bring in new specialists and remove the class restrictions.

Or, EA simply tried to half bake a class system on top of w/e garbage they already had and we wind up with a half assed version of both hero shooter and class system.

I'm having a hard time imagining how they would be able to introduce a proper class system without completely abandoning specialists, which I'd love if they did but it's just not happening.

Half-baked as it is, I personally enjoy what we have now much more than what we had at launch. My main issue is no longer with balancing but with how annoying pretty much all of them are as characters, and how they're identical across both teams

[Lord-Knight Fandragon]

Origineel geplaatst door Bullett00th:

Origineel geplaatst door Lord-Knight Fandragon:

Or, EA simply tried to half bake a class system on top of w/e garbage they already had and we wind up with a half assed version of both hero shooter and class system.

I'm having a hard time imagining how they would be able to introduce a proper class system without completely abandoning specialists, which I'd love if they did but it's just not happening.

Half-baked as it is, I personally enjoy what we have now much more than what we had at launch. My main issue is no longer with balancing but with how annoying pretty much all of them are as characters, and how they're identical across both teams

Yeah, they would have to scrap the operators and honestly, the game would be better for it. The whole hero shooter thing, at least as its done here, just doesnt work......

THe operators just feel so....generic and their abilities so pointless for the most part, outside of a few oeprators. Falck for healing, Sundance for flying squirrel and Mackay for weeeeeeeee zipline. The abilities also feel out of place in a BF game. Its almost like this game belongs as one of those arena shooters.

As it is, the AI each have thier own character model for each of the 4 classes, so the base of classes is there. They would jsut have to scrap the operators, then create 4 new classes for the 4 classes.

Assault: Weapon Choices-AR/SMG/Shotgun
Gadget-Pick 1: C4 or Med-Pen
2nd Gadget: Frags, Smokes or Flashbangs

Engineer: Weapon Choices-AR/SMG/Shotgun
Gadget: Repair Welder or Automated MG Turret
2nd Gadget: Frags, Smokes, Flashbangs or Landmines(Either AT or AP)

Support: Weapon Choices-AR/LMG/Shotgun
Gadget: Med Box or Ammo Box
2nd Gadget: Armor Plates(Gives 50 Armor)

Marksman: Weapon Choices-Marksman Rifle/Sniper/Crossbow
Gadget: Recon Deployable or Controlled Recon Drone
2nd Gadget: Smokes or Claymores

Just a *really* off the cuff rough draft as I sit here ready for bed.....

[Bullett00th]

Origineel geplaatst door Lord-Knight Fandragon:

their abilities so pointless for the most part, outside of a few oeprators.

that was my initial impression as well but the abilities grew on me. I like the 'nobody is overpowered when everybody is overpowered' approach. And sure, there are better and worse choices, and some are highly situational, but in general if we treat them as class-specific gadgets I think they work nicely. Just without names, faces and voices attached to them

[primski]

WHY ?


IT GIVES YOU EXTRA GADGET SLOT, WHY WOULD YOU REMOVE THAT ???

HONESTLY; WHY DOES IT BOTHER YOU? YOU CAN DO EVERYTRHING YOU COULD DO BEFORE!!!!!

WHY REMOVE ??

[Zanleer]

Origineel geplaatst door primski:

WHY ?


IT GIVES YOU EXTRA GADGET SLOT, WHY WOULD YOU REMOVE THAT ???

HONESTLY; WHY DOES IT BOTHER YOU? YOU CAN DO EVERYTRHING YOU COULD DO BEFORE!!!!!

WHY REMOVE ??

i can't use rockets unless im an engineer an engineers except Lis suck so no one plays them. thus vehicles rule the game

[Bullett00th]

Origineel geplaatst door Zanleer:

Origineel geplaatst door primski:

WHY ?


IT GIVES YOU EXTRA GADGET SLOT, WHY WOULD YOU REMOVE THAT ???

HONESTLY; WHY DOES IT BOTHER YOU? YOU CAN DO EVERYTRHING YOU COULD DO BEFORE!!!!!

WHY REMOVE ??

i can't use rockets unless im an engineer an engineers except Lis suck so no one plays them. thus vehicles rule the game

just no.

[Brigvs Maximvs]

No. You cannot have it all.

If your issues are with vehicles, there are a number of ways to take them out that don't include rocket launchers.

If you have issues with not seeing ammo boxes in the game, then the issue is with your team.

The class bonuses, even with the small differences, are still bonuses - it could have been that we'd have weapon restrictions. With the small amount of weaponry 2042 has, that would have been quite a bigger issue.