Congratulations on crying about Specialists.

[Strikepoint]

Thanks to everyone who cried about the specialists. You are getting your way. Now Support can no longer take out vehicles, McKay can no longer place insertion beacons in hard to reach places. Want a proximity sensor or SOFLAM, it can only be taken by someone who already has a spotting technique. Want a Ammo crate, hope you don't want to play Assault and there's a support class nearby to babysit you.Want to fly around with Sundance and take out Helicopter's with a recoiless, forget it. This reminds me of how everyone cried for a scoreboard only to realize their K/D ratio had little affect on their score in the round. Keep going until this game is just a cookie cutter replacement for BF4 instead of just going back and playing BF4.

Class Equipment (Always available)

Assault - Med Pen
Support - Defibrillator
Engineer - Repair Tool
Recon - Insertion Beacon

Class Gadgets (You can choose 1)

Assault - Smoke Grenade Launcher, C5 Explosives, IBA Armor Plate
Support - Ammo Crate, Smoke Grenade Launcher, Medical Crate, M18 Claymore
Engineer - Anti-Tank Mine, Recoilless M5, FXM-33 AA Missile, FGM-148 Javelin, EOD Bot
Recon - T-UGS, Prox Sensor, SOFLAM, C5 Explosives, Tracer Dart Gun

Throwables (You can choose 1)

Assault - Frag, Smoke, Incendiary
Support - Frag, Smoke, EMP, Incendiary
Engineer - Frag, Smoke, EMP, Incendiary
Recon - Frag, Smoke, EMP, Incendiary

These are now YOUR choices, deal with it.


P.S Guys I'm done responding to this thread so if you want to continue discussing this, that's fine. Me? I'm going to go play season 2. See you in the game Note Pads.

[Alla Ya'fbar]

P1nkLem0n4d3님이 먼저 게시:

Crowly님이 먼저 게시:

Sub-classes:
Simply alternative loadouts for differet jobs. They was in titles since first game i try - BF2142.

Respawn-resupplys:
It's not "respawn and resupply", it is a "respawn for resupply".
When instead searching for ammo-box (don'f foget that non-supplyer support was a thing), lemming just respawn; and agane, and agane and agane. Beeing adverse to the team.

"If you don't know what makes this game so different compared to the other battlefield games":
I saw a differents, but only between 2142, BC2 and BF3.
Between BF3, BF4 and HL there was no nouticeble. Just new techinc resources aprouvments and socmetic changes.
Just rip off from BF4 levelution and Cops setting from HL, and they become huge DLCs for BF3.

UPD: classes back not beause they affecting bad. We slowly recover team work, so it's cleary to they fault.
But because you whiners, who give up on game, but keep crying loud on obsolete data.

Okay fine, but there really aren't nearly as many variants of "sub-classes" compared to 2042.

I don't really understand the point with the respawning for resupply. With classes, you are more likely to see gadgets or equipment such as ammo bags and health being used, especially if the gadgets and equipment are limited within the class system, because the choices will be more limited, which makes choosing those equipment or gadgets more common, along with the change in play style.

BF3, BF4, BFHL, BF1, and BF5 are all very similar games. BFBC2, BFBC, BF1943 (yes 1943 not 1942) had similarities. and Battlefield 2142, Battlefield 2 and Battlefield 1942 are similar. But one thing stayed the same throughout all of the games until 2042, or at least was somewhat similar throughout all of the games, the class system.

Well, i see at lest 2 weak points:

First.
if acount options what we have in old game - there is not a lot. First it's bacis loadout, with class stuck frough entire game life. Second is stuff for build sub-class. Threed a tons of useless garbage, what you never going to use.
So you indirectly chousing class with freeslot, so after people was give up on one chunk of stuff, and stoped beeing hypocrites and start bring ammo to users of other chunk, we got our team work back.

Second.
You guys so excited about incoming classes, what you didn't nouticed how stupid they distributed.
Most stupid - Recons - They will stuck with 2 spotting options at the same time.
Supports - One Man Support - Medic spec will stuck with supply gadget, supply spec will stuck with medic gadget. They have smoke hande-granade, so launcher aren't a real option.
Assault - YEY! Reason why you guys hate specialists become a class. Are you happly? - med-pen and plait/C5 and Dozer/Sundance. Sounds pretty much like one man army builds.
Some specific specialists - Irish. What TF is Irish doing with engineers?! Lis will stuck with mines, because everything else is launchers and they banned for her. I realy would be happy see McKey with defibs sometimes, sometimes as assault; and brobably drafting some others, but classes clearly will be solid, and it's sad.

I realy like how they decided deliver unpopular stuff to hiden slots, so it can be with you if you get in situation when it becom useful. So i want it, but without gadget and granade slots lock.

[P1nkLem0n4d3]

Crowly님이 먼저 게시:

P1nkLem0n4d3님이 먼저 게시:

Okay fine, but there really aren't nearly as many variants of "sub-classes" compared to 2042.

I don't really understand the point with the respawning for resupply. With classes, you are more likely to see gadgets or equipment such as ammo bags and health being used, especially if the gadgets and equipment are limited within the class system, because the choices will be more limited, which makes choosing those equipment or gadgets more common, along with the change in play style.

BF3, BF4, BFHL, BF1, and BF5 are all very similar games. BFBC2, BFBC, BF1943 (yes 1943 not 1942) had similarities. and Battlefield 2142, Battlefield 2 and Battlefield 1942 are similar. But one thing stayed the same throughout all of the games until 2042, or at least was somewhat similar throughout all of the games, the class system.

Well, i see at lest 2 weak points:

First.
if acount options what we have in old game - there is not a lot. First it's bacis loadout, with class stuck frough entire game life. Second is stuff for build sub-class. Threed a tons of useless garbage, what you never going to use.
So you indirectly chousing class with freeslot, so after pople give up on one chunk of stuff, and stop beeing hypocrites and start bring ammo to users of other chunk, we got our team work back.

Second.
You guys so excited about incoming classes, what you didn't nouticed how stupid they distributed.
Most stupid - Recons - They will stuck with 2 spotting options at the same time.
Supports - One Man Support - Medic spec will stuck with supply gadget, supply spec will stuck with medic gadget. They have smoke hande-granade, so launcher aren't a real option.
Assault - YEY! Reason why you guys hate specialists become a class. Are you happly? - med-pen and plait/C5 and Dozer/Sundance. Sounds pretty much like one man army builds.
Some specific specialists - Irish. What TF is Irish doing with engineers?! Lis will stuck with mines, because everything else is launchers and they banned for her. I realy would be happy see McKey with defibs sometimes, sometimes as assault; and brobably drafting some others but, but classes clearly will be solid, and it's sad.

I realy like how they decided deliver unpopular stuff to hiden slots, so it can be with you if you get in situation when it becom useful. So i want it, but without gadget and granade slots lock.

Well I would consider those loadouts more for team play because of their simplicity and focus. It is sacrificing variety for a more role like class. If you are locked out of being able to have whatever gadgets that you want, then you have to switch classes. That's the point. You can't just use a ammo bag instead if the player is locked out of it.

I don't mind assault for being what it is. It's at least a lot better compared to the specialists now. C5 with a medpen isn't nearly as powerful as let's say a rocket launcher, cluster grenades, flying suit, and a health or ammo bag. Recon can at least just focus on nothing but the radar and tracking, in comparison to literal wall hacks or nonsense like that. Support class is what it is, a support class, to support the team. Engineers is a bit odd with some of the specialists, which again wouldn't be a problem if the specialists weren't there to begin with, but I think it is for taking the classes that rely on gadgets or abilities specifically, like a sentry or deployable wall, and combining it with the vehicle oriented class. Honestly wouldn't have minded seeing 5 classes but oh well, it's still better lol.

[SooperBoomer]

Crowly님이 먼저 게시:

You guys so excited about incoming classes, what you didn't nouticed how stupid they distributed.
Most stupid - Recons - They will stuck with 2 spotting options at the same time.
Supports - One Man Support - Medic spec will stuck with supply gadget, supply spec will stuck with medic gadget. They have smoke hande-granade, so launcher aren't a real option.
Assault - YEY! Reason why you guys hate specialists become a class. Are you happly? - med-pen and plait/C5 and Dozer/Sundance. Sounds pretty much like one man army builds.
Some specific specialists - Irish. What TF is Irish doing with engineers?! Lis will stuck with mines, because everything else is launchers and they banned for her. I realy would be happy see McKey with defibs sometimes, sometimes as assault; and brobably drafting some others, but classes clearly will be solid, and it's sad.

I realy like how they decided deliver unpopular stuff to hiden slots, so it can be with you if you get in situation when it becom useful. So i want it, but without gadget and granade slots lock.

Theyre actually distributed quite well. Your also forgetting all the new gadgets they listed as well as the Season 2 specialist which is confirmed as Support.

Recons are just that recons. They still have C5 as a gadget which is great better then Supports list plus theyre getting a new Tracer Dart Gun which will be amazing against low flying Stealth Helios and still great against everyone else.

Supports are getting Claymores I LOVE Claymores. Going to be hilarious planting those around objectives for free kills because no one pays attention to those even in BF4 with their clearly visable trip wires they were a lot of fun.

Assaults are actually really balanced with this change. Armor plates and a Med pen wont make them unkillable. Dozer will actually be a problem now with armor and only being able to shoot his feet before he was just a joke. No one really used him for his cover ability just the shield for melee challenges. Sundance with inf ammo for under barrel GL plus her special and normal grenades is OP. She will fit her role more now as a infiltrator with the med pens and armor plates for survival. Nothing still is scarier then a Sundance landing on your tank with C5.

For Engineers Irish is a great choice and makes great sense. Really defensive and has the option of rockets. Lis isnt just stuck with mines theres a new EOD bot and I remember how annoying those were in BF4 now she can weaken vehicles with that and go for the kill with her launcher.

Mackey never had defibs but I'm sure we can still revive squad mates like we can now so nothing really changes there.

[Mister-E]

ded game, brah...
The problem was never the classes, it was the inability to communicate between players that wrecked 2042, T? Enter? VC? nothing worked, leading to players that just ran into game and farmed with little reward

[Alla Ya'fbar]

I give up on that conversation.
Preclaiming what classes need to force people play in team, but been okay with class what disigned to still be on his own. Start sound like you guys just hate free will.

And @Veileos
No one use Dozer for cover he provide, because he didn't. He just broken on that ways, his protecton angle not working. previos i blame his weak spots, such as open legs. Buts after bot, who makes no trick, manage to kill me in 70-75m in front of me, i give up on him.
Melee didn't work too. Agane, when i farming his badge points with bots, i noticed that most times he didn't hit right. I hear bumbing soud but deal no damage at all. Like he suppose hitting with whole sheld's space, but instead it just few pixels in the middle of POV.
With reduced rotating speed, what make you feel so lame like you rotating tank's tower in FPV. And unavailble sprint, what makes everyone who got time to realise with what he dealing able to flee or even trick you. Makes even 1v1 difficult. Saying not only as who try get worth from him realy hard couple of times, but aslo as who still have no problems killing them 1v1.

Irish is bad aganist AT, checkd on practice. Maybe he chatch M5, most probably not, but Lis, 50mm and tank's rounds passing though fine.
Dunno why you seeing EOD as options, not big deal to handle them on your own. Always finding them in trash cans of clear-jokes.

[Banaminati]

Blackmourne님이 먼저 게시:

Thanks to everyone who cried about the specialists. You are getting your way. Now Support can no longer take out vehicles, McKay can no longer place insertion beacons in hard to reach places. Want a proximity sensor or SOFLAM, it can only be taken by someone who already has a spotting technique. Want a Ammo crate, hope you don't want to play Assault and there's a support class nearby to babysit you.Want to fly around with Sundance and take out Helicopter's with a recoiless, forget it. This reminds me of how everyone cried for a scoreboard only to realize their K/D ratio had little affect on their score in the round. Keep going until this game is just a cookie cutter replacement for BF4 instead of just going back and playing BF4.

Class Equipment (Always available)

Assault - Med Pen
Support - Defibrillator
Engineer - Repair Tool
Recon - Insertion Beacon

Class Gadgets (You can choose 1)

Assault - Smoke Grenade Launcher, C5 Explosives, IBA Armor Plate
Support - Ammo Crate, Smoke Grenade Launcher, Medical Crate, M18 Claymore
Engineer - Anti-Tank Mine, Recoilless M5, FXM-33 AA Missile, FGM-148 Javelin, EOD Bot
Recon - T-UGS, Prox Sensor, SOFLAM, C5 Explosives, Tracer Dart Gun

Throwables (You can choose 1)

Assault - Frag, Smoke, Incendiary
Support - Frag, Smoke, EMP, Incendiary
Engineer - Frag, Smoke, EMP, Incendiary
Recon - Frag, Smoke, EMP, Incendiary

These are now YOUR choices, deal with it.

they need to nerf it more you weirdo. The guided missile that you get with the specialists shouldnt exist. And sundance needed that nerf it was stupid she could do that. Your so weird

[Gonzo850]

I honestly don't think that devs were "listening to feedback" on this one. I think this was just something that the devs came to realize the game needed as they were trying to balance the game.

[RabbitBreeder]

Your attempt to make this sound like a bad thing made me excited to play it again.

[Rim Carrey]

Congratulations, you're part of the minority that like specialist.

[P1nkLem0n4d3]

Gonzo850님이 먼저 게시:

I honestly don't think that devs were "listening to feedback" on this one. I think this was just something that the devs came to realize the game needed as they were trying to balance the game.

I think it's both.

[Khamal]

P1nkLem0n4d3님이 먼저 게시:

Gonzo850님이 먼저 게시:

I honestly don't think that devs were "listening to feedback" on this one. I think this was just something that the devs came to realize the game needed as they were trying to balance the game.

I think it's both.

There was a reason a supposed ton of devs quit during production

[Leviticus Superius Maximus]

this is the best news yet nice

[SpriggsySpriggs]

All we wanted all along were generic soldiers like we had in previous titles in the franchise. Instead, DICE decided to copy their competitor and give us these retarded specialists. The inclusion of these new characters was not an improvement to the series. It was a detriment.

[Betrayy]

This promotes teamwork, which is good

[Strikepoint]

Banaminati님이 먼저 게시:

Blackmourne님이 먼저 게시:

Thanks to everyone who cried about the specialists. ...

These are now YOUR choices, deal with it.

they need to nerf it more you weirdo. The guided missile that you get with the specialists shouldnt exist. And sundance needed that nerf it was stupid she could do that. Your so weird

You don't even make a single point to bring any validity to your argument and simply stoop to name calling. At least others can express with their big boy words the point they were trying to make. There have been quite a few who have brought up some interesting points and actually contributed to this discussion in an adult way, and yes I have read every post. I guess it all comes down to we will see in season 3 when the 3.2 patch releases. But if you just want to post something to troll, do it in another post. I'm simply stating the fact that certain combinations are going to be forever gone now. Ok, who hasn't used Rao with AA, or Sundance with an insertion beacon? These are just a few samples that specialists brought to the table. I enjoyed the freedom it brought. I just feel that DICE is catering to a very vocal group and not really asking everyone for their feedback. I didn't receive a survey that a lot of Youtubers and Twitch players got, did you? And because I simply voiced my opinion on here (since again, I didn't get a survey) I get called a weirdo, boomer and a get told to play something else like CoD if I don't like it. That it's not my game. As of tonight I have 1,118 Hours playing this game that I'm supposed to just shut up and accept. It's my game too and I have every right to express the way I feel about it. I also have seen from this discussion, that I'm not alone. I just simply felt that quite a few weren't speaking up, so I did.