I have a question for you who complain about enemy density

[space cowgirl joy]

I see so many people complaining about to much enemy density in this game and dark souls 2, yet the same people love elden ring and sing its praises to no end, yet elden ring has WAY WAY more enemy density than this game or dark souls 2. whats up with that? I personally have never had trouble dealing with large groups in souls games, sounds like yall have a skill issue to me ngl

[Crux]

Lets not forget Bloodborne's sub20fps more often than not too, yet that game is hailed as the best game of all time.
People just want reasons to cry for the sake of making noise

[space cowgirl joy]

like I for real think yall will just hate on any souls like not made by miyazaki, I think yall are just fan boys

[Crux]

Originally posted by space cowgirl joy:

like I for real think yall will just hate on any souls like not made by miyazaki, I think yall are just fan boys

2 isnt made by Miyazaki tho he was busy with something else while Tanimura led 2.
People are just gonna people

[Kitoshi]

I'll attempt to add something constructive here that isn't just *lol everyone must be a fanboy*.

I personally think the density isn't so much the problem but often it's the combination of enemies. You step into a zone and you have a few weak mobs you can do away with in 1-3 hits depending on your build but then you often also have a middle tier mob that tries to CC you in some kinda way, be it push you back, be it something other form of CC. But then at the same time you also have ranged mobs pelting you from a distance so great you can barely even see them, the projectiles will tell you where they are but I am sure most people will miss they were even there at first glance.

Then occasionally you also have a stronger tier mob(I call them elites) that have a far bigger HP pool than anything else and relentlessly pressure you while you are also being pressured by ranged mobs which have mid tier HP but have elite tier damage from a distance greater than your lock on distance. And I personally don't like the combination of all of those things at once.

tl;dr, density is not the problem it's the combination of mobs that often is.

[Cooper]

128hrs on elden and i've never seen so much density like in lords. Almost shotting or double shotting mobs, and in the next room i need 6 to kill the same mob. This game need a bit of tweak, like the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ backstack dealing almost the same damage of my regular hit (126 regualr, 146 backstab)

[Sideras]

yall ngl yall liek prolly skill issue yall ngl.

[Zyrconia]

No way. ER either had no one on many encounters or none that were memorable. The few that were are the exception, not the dorm. I can only rember a few. So even if the game had plenty, you don't rember it as such.

While Lords is built around it. The entire encounter design is just mobs upon mobs. It is infested, from the very roots.

So far it has no redeeming qualities.

[Rain]

Originally posted by Sideras:

yall ngl yall liek prolly skill issue yall ngl.

I got a stroke reading that

[Razzen]

The zoomer lingo makes me cringe.

[Hunter Este]

There are some places there the enemy density makes it feel like a chore if you end up having to redo the area a few times.

I don't think it's worthy of complaint though. There were similar areas in all SoulsBonre/Souls-like games.

[Dasginosis]

Does Elden ring has a infinite spawn area? I don't remember that.
This game? Just compare first area of both game.
Elden ring : around 10 normal with 2 bosses.
LOTF : 2 bosses with infinite spawn zombies.

[ZooL]

there is definitely a double standard between from and non from games.
Bloodborne is a horrible mess when it comes to performance. Its the worst optimized game i ever played on ps4. DS1 and DS2 both where locked to 30 fps. In DS1 the physic literally broke (dying from sliding down a ladder) when unlocking the fps and DS2 had your durability of weapons reduced twice as fast at 60fps. Elden ring also rand like ♥♥♥♥ day one, both on playstation and on pc. DS1+2 were unplayble with m+k on day one and the list goes on and on. from makes good games but performance and pc ports have always been ♥♥♥♥.
yet, somehow people never leave negative reviews because of that. but when a game runs bad, because they did not update their drivers its instant negative review. so yeah, i am not gonna defend this game, but if people would use the same review standard for from games, they would all sit at mostly negative.

[Devilot]

??? It is rare to fight 6-7 enemies at the same time in Elden Ring unless you are purposely running around to make them chase you. The times you do fight several enemies you have ample room to maneuver plus the ranged enemies have nowhere near the pinpoint accuracy the standard ranged enemies have in LotF.

The Legacy Dungeons on ER don't have you fighting large amounts of enemies at the same time AS A DEFAULT either and in some cases where they do, like the balista room in Stormwind its because the game is teaching you to find alternate paths.

Even DS2 that for some reason is being brought up didn't have you fighting massive groups of enemies with the regularity this game has. It also didn't have any of the other problems this game has like hyper-accurate ranged enemies that tag you from half a map away or umbra tethered enemies that are invincible until you dispel the floating bug (who tf thought this was a good idea???) which completely kills the slow & methodical approach the game is SUPPOSEDLY going for.

[space cowgirl joy]

Originally posted by Gameo:

Originally posted by space cowgirl joy:

like I for real think yall will just hate on any souls like not made by miyazaki, I think yall are just fan boys

2 isnt made by Miyazaki tho he was busy with something else while Tanimura led 2.
People are just gonna people

thats litterally what I said, I said a bunch of people hate on ds2 becuase miyazaki was not involved

[space cowgirl joy]

Originally posted by Devilot:

??? It is rare to fight 6-7 enemies at the same time in Elden Ring unless you are purposely running around to make them chase you. The times you do fight several enemies you have ample room to maneuver plus the ranged enemies have nowhere near the pinpoint accuracy the standard ranged enemies have in LotF.

The Legacy Dungeons on ER don't have you fighting large amounts of enemies at the same time AS A DEFAULT either and in some cases where they do, like the balista room in Stormwind its because the game is teaching you to find alternate paths.

Even DS2 that for some reason is being brought up didn't have you fighting massive groups of enemies with the regularity this game has. It also didn't have any of the other problems this game has like hyper-accurate ranged enemies that tag you from half a map away or umbra tethered enemies that are invincible until you dispel the floating bug (who tf thought this was a good idea???) which completely kills the slow & methodical approach the game is SUPPOSEDLY going for.

no you defintly fight 6-7 enemies a ton, storm viel, the road to storm viel, redmaine castle, pretty much all of calid actually, faram azula, especially the part with the beefy skeletons right before the end of alaxanders quest, all over the erdtree capital, both the underground cities, castle sol, the halig tree, ect ect, yall just posers. and to much enemy density is something people who hate ds2 cry about non stop so thats why I brought it up becuase I love that game 2 and people hate on it for the same misguided reason, fighting groups is not hard just get better at situational awareness and positioning, dont be a noob get gud, these games are not duel simulators