Forced invasions...pass

[Iggy]

A friend an I were really looking into a fun new coop game. And I kept my eyes on Lord of the Fallen.
Everything seemed to align nicely : "You can just invite your friends and play together". Holy hell, smart developers. No need for convoluted summons that gives you a chance to summon your friend, for a short amount of time. Nope, no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, you can just play together, awesome.
After all, that's a way me and my buddies use to keep in touch, since we live far apart now.

I kept on looking at the details though, you never know. Invasions, you can disable them. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, we have some really smart devs here. One can play without gankers to ruin your game, what a novel concept. Looking good, looking good, definitely gonna get this game.


But..hold up, wait a minute, something ain't right.

You can't disable invasion in coop? Oh, so they have at least one moron on the team. Sorry, no other way to put it. The one who kept that idea in is definitely not a genius.

Here. let me put it clearly. I want to play with my friends, without a stranger coming to gank us at the worst moment. Or even at the best moment. I'm. just. NOT. INTERESTED. Period. And I'm sure a lot of other players have the same feeling.

Forced invasions, no buyee, simple as that.

There's really no reason to have such an inconvenience force down the throat of ALL your playerbase.

Here, I'll make it simple for you : allow players who dont want to partake in forced pvp to opt out. And guess what? With such an option, every single player that does want to play pvp WILL BE ABLE TO DO SO. That wont affect them whatsoever. The only people it would bother are gankers. That's it.

I wish pvp players the best, and lots of fun. I really do, enjoy yourself, have fun. I, am just not into it, and wont buy a game that forces me to do it, specially when I dont want to.


And just in case, you can call be bad, say it is a skill issue, dont care. I want to chill with my buddies, that's it.

[Hex13]

Originally posted by one-room survival:

I said it before, I'll say it again.

The simple reality is that a game doesn't have to be something that caters to everyone. The design choice to implement PvP into a game that you have to deal with is an intentional one that not everyone will like. That's.. fine! It's fine to lose all your souls upon death, it's fine to have a chance to get them back after death, and it's fine to have odds and obstacles pit against you in a game. It might not be for you, but that's fine. Aspects of games can be made for someone other than you.

You said pass but here you are being all upset and aggressive to the developers over it so it's not a simple pass for you is it? You're willing to forsake the entire experience because you'll occasionally get someone who will invade you in a 2v1 scenario. You really should have come here with a more thoughtful and constructive argument that lacks any of that unfriendly flare instead of whatever this anger session is.

I'm testing now the password feature in the multiplayer tab with a friend and so far haven't had a single invasion. I for one prefer the invasion either solo or co-op because I do like the challenge of everyone's cool builds and most of the time it's been free corrupted hands with the 2v1 advantage.

But I noticed the password thing and was curious to test it out and I think people just didn't really see this or wasn't explained by the devs. From trying this method invasions are not forced. You can opt out of it if both users have the same password for their world and one accompanies into their world. We even did a private 1v1 session which was cool. So you wanna play with your friend without getting invaded? There you go. I mean I could be wrong and maybe we're just getting lucky but I've been pvping a lot every day because I'm trying to get the tier 3 armor set from the shrine

[one-room survival]

Originally posted by Hex1313:

Originally posted by one-room survival:

I said it before, I'll say it again.

The simple reality is that a game doesn't have to be something that caters to everyone. The design choice to implement PvP into a game that you have to deal with is an intentional one that not everyone will like. That's.. fine! It's fine to lose all your souls upon death, it's fine to have a chance to get them back after death, and it's fine to have odds and obstacles pit against you in a game. It might not be for you, but that's fine. Aspects of games can be made for someone other than you.

You said pass but here you are being all upset and aggressive to the developers over it so it's not a simple pass for you is it? You're willing to forsake the entire experience because you'll occasionally get someone who will invade you in a 2v1 scenario. You really should have come here with a more thoughtful and constructive argument that lacks any of that unfriendly flare instead of whatever this anger session is.

I'm testing now the password feature in the multiplayer tab with a friend and so far haven't had a single invasion. I for one prefer the invasion either solo or co-op because I do like the challenge of everyone's cool builds and most of the time it's been free corrupted hands with the 2v1 advantage.

But I noticed the password thing and was curious to test it out and I think people just didn't really see this or wasn't explained by the devs. From trying this method invasions are not forced. You can opt out of it if both users have the same password for their world and one accompanies into their world. We even did a private 1v1 session which was cool. So you wanna play with your friend without getting invaded? There you go. I mean I could be wrong and maybe we're just getting lucky but I've been pvping a lot every day because I'm trying to get the tier 3 armor set from the shrine

Yeah hard to say, invasions aren't necessarily common so it could be that you just haven't encountered one yet? No clue.

[Hex13]

Originally posted by one-room survival:

Originally posted by Hex1313:

I'm testing now the password feature in the multiplayer tab with a friend and so far haven't had a single invasion. I for one prefer the invasion either solo or co-op because I do like the challenge of everyone's cool builds and most of the time it's been free corrupted hands with the 2v1 advantage.

But I noticed the password thing and was curious to test it out and I think people just didn't really see this or wasn't explained by the devs. From trying this method invasions are not forced. You can opt out of it if both users have the same password for their world and one accompanies into their world. We even did a private 1v1 session which was cool. So you wanna play with your friend without getting invaded? There you go. I mean I could be wrong and maybe we're just getting lucky but I've been pvping a lot every day because I'm trying to get the tier 3 armor set from the shrine

Yeah hard to say, invasions aren't necessarily common so it could be that you just haven't encountered one yet? No clue.

Oh I force invaders into my world lolol so every vestige is near a pvp zone where that red thing pops up that identifies you're in an invasion spot, I'm sure you already know but this is for anyone who doesn't know what that red indicator is. I wait a good few seconds or a minute and get invaded. Win or lose then head back to the vestige and select the "slaughter lampbearer" option on and then switch it off (or leave it on if you want to invade someone). This kinda resets the red indicator in your area so when you go back, it pops up again and then another invader pops up. I get hella invasions every day doing this. If it takes a while sometimes I'll exit to the menu and enter and I'm good or turn off multiplayer and turn back on.

[foxxxden23]

This is thing about this game I really hate I’m low level and being invaded by javk A.s with end of the game gear what world is that fun or there level is so high that they use jesters to make fun cause you can’t seem to damage them what kind of fun is that not once being invaded did I get partner or friendly player for help reck someone game is your idea of fun we need less those type of people

[Tarnished]

Originally posted by foxxxden23:

This is thing about this game I really hate I’m low level and being invaded by javk A.s with end of the game gear what world is that fun or there level is so high that they use jesters to make fun cause you can’t seem to damage them what kind of fun is that not once being invaded did I get partner or friendly player for help reck someone game is your idea of fun we need less those type of people

It is possible that they legit got the end game gear, I myself was level 16 and somehow made it till depths area, after that I leveled up to 30 and now I am almost at 2nd last or last location.

I am not an invader, not really, nor am I some kind of pro or a veteran, but if a person like me can somehow make it that far, I imagine other people can finish the game more easily and on lower levels.

Having said that, there might be some people who gets item drop from their friends and other such methods, it is unfortunate, but it is not something unheard of in souls and soulslike games.

I guess the idea of the fun is for invaders, not hosts, I suppose, and invasions aren't supposed to follow any rules or be fair. It is like someone broke into your house in the middle of the night, do you think they will bow down and ask you how are you, drink some beer with you, say cheers and take a selfie and then let you pick a weapon and fight with you fair and square?

Ofcourse not, it is a forced entry, and they will do whatever they like while you do what you can to protect yourself, that's about it.

[Zefar]

Originally posted by Lusus:

Originally posted by Crimson Dragon:

Just play Elden Ring and download seemless coop, thats how people avoid the toxic pvp crowd. Like how people can hide in your world or glitch into spots so you can never find them, seemless coop for elden ring is the better option. More people are playing it than the vanilla game

... Seamless co-op has less than 5% of the Elden Ring playerbase in downloads, and isn't used at all by console players. I find this statement hilariously unlikely.

Elden Ring on PC had a peak of about 950 000 players in the start on Steam.
Seamless coop has over a million in unique download.

The numbers now make quite a bit of difference.

[Kane's Games]

So you're playing this entire game 2v1 with a mic'd friend, yet you're crying about invasions even though it's 2v1, AND you get a second life they don't? It's funny because if you were solo, I would understand not wanting it if you're not into PvP. But the fact you got a friend and are still whining is crazzyy. Hell even in Dark souls, playing in co-op is what triggers invasions. So you would be whining the Souls forum as well

[Liddy]

Originally posted by JoJo:

So you're playing this entire game 2v1 with a mic'd friend, yet you're crying about invasions even though it's 2v1, AND you get a second life they don't? It's funny because if you were solo, I would understand not wanting it if you're not into PvP. But the fact you got a friend and are still whining is crazzyy. Hell even in Dark souls, playing in co-op is what triggers invasions. So you would be whining the Souls forum as well :theskull:

Invaders get like 10x the hosts resistances and 3x their damage, you idiot. You can be AFK and still win invasions in this game, the host is forced entirely to come to you because we lock them out of progression and force a time death sentence if they're in umbral.

This isn't even considering all the funny cheese unique to invader side because of our hilariously skewed stats compared to our hosts.

[Kane's Games]

Originally posted by Liddy:

Originally posted by JoJo:

So you're playing this entire game 2v1 with a mic'd friend, yet you're crying about invasions even though it's 2v1, AND you get a second life they don't? It's funny because if you were solo, I would understand not wanting it if you're not into PvP. But the fact you got a friend and are still whining is crazzyy. Hell even in Dark souls, playing in co-op is what triggers invasions. So you would be whining the Souls forum as well

Invaders get like 10x the hosts resistances and 3x their damage, you idiot. You can be AFK and still win invasions in this game, the host is forced entirely to come to you because we lock them out of progression and force a time death sentence if they're in umbral.

This isn't even considering all the funny cheese unique to invader side because of our hilariously skewed stats compared to our hosts.

Funny because I've killed several invaders, and have been one shot several times as an invader. Sounds like a massive skill issue, especially when 2v1.

[Liddy]

Originally posted by JoJo:

Originally posted by Liddy:

Invaders get like 10x the hosts resistances and 3x their damage, you idiot. You can be AFK and still win invasions in this game, the host is forced entirely to come to you because we lock them out of progression and force a time death sentence if they're in umbral.

This isn't even considering all the funny cheese unique to invader side because of our hilariously skewed stats compared to our hosts.

Funny because I've killed several invaders, and have been one shot several times as an invader. Sounds like a massive skill issue, especially when 2v1.

Your coop partners don't get the scaling, and the invader doesn't get the scaling if the host is a lower level, forcing weirder scaling. You're trying to argue against someone gathering tangible data by you saying "no I'm an ebin pro XD"

You can argue all you want about "skill issue", but what do you want, a congrats for beating someone while you've got 10x their resistance and a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of extra damage lol?

[AlmaDarkSpell]

Originally posted by Iggy:

A friend an I were really looking into a fun new coop game. And I kept my eyes on Lord of the Fallen.
Everything seemed to align nicely : "You can just invite your friends and play together". Holy hell, smart developers. No need for convoluted summons that gives you a chance to summon your friend, for a short amount of time. Nope, no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, you can just play together, awesome.
After all, that's a way me and my buddies use to keep in touch, since we live far apart now.

I kept on looking at the details though, you never know. Invasions, you can disable them. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, we have some really smart devs here. One can play without gankers to ruin your game, what a novel concept. Looking good, looking good, definitely gonna get this game.


But..hold up, wait a minute, something ain't right.

You can't disable invasion in coop? Oh, so they have at least one moron on the team. Sorry, no other way to put it. The one who kept that idea in is definitely not a genius.

Here. let me put it clearly. I want to play with my friends, without a stranger coming to gank us at the worst moment. Or even at the best moment. I'm. just. NOT. INTERESTED. Period. And I'm sure a lot of other players have the same feeling.

Forced invasions, no buyee, simple as that.

There's really no reason to have such an inconvenience force down the throat of ALL your playerbase.

Here, I'll make it simple for you : allow players who dont want to partake in forced pvp to opt out. And guess what? With such an option, every single player that does want to play pvp WILL BE ABLE TO DO SO. That wont affect them whatsoever. The only people it would bother are gankers. That's it.

I wish pvp players the best, and lots of fun. I really do, enjoy yourself, have fun. I, am just not into it, and wont buy a game that forces me to do it, specially when I dont want to.


And just in case, you can call be bad, say it is a skill issue, dont care. I want to chill with my buddies, that's it.

I absolutely and totally agree with you. I share the same feeling millimeter by millimeter. In fact, I didn't buy the game and I didn't do it for the same reasons. My friends ended up giving it to me for PS5 and that is why I started playing it. That said, I can say that invasions are quite infrequent for now, which makes the experience more tolerable. After Elden Ring, where you have an invasion every 5 minutes, I was very very burned out and I said NEVER AGAIN.

Currently, if I'm doing coop as a host and we receive an invasion, it is as simple as closing the game and reopening it. If they are going to waste my time, the least I can do is give them the same in return. You generally do not receive another invasion again for another 2-4 hours. Which is great.

There is no developer or player who will force me to do PVP again.

[Kane's Games]

Originally posted by Liddy:

Originally posted by JoJo:

Funny because I've killed several invaders, and have been one shot several times as an invader. Sounds like a massive skill issue, especially when 2v1.

Your coop partners don't get the scaling, and the invader doesn't get the scaling if the host is a lower level, forcing weirder scaling. You're trying to argue against someone gathering tangible data by you saying "no I'm an ebin pro XD"

You can argue all you want about "skill issue", but what do you want, a congrats for beating someone while you've got 10x their resistance and a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of extra damage lol?

Dude. If you cannot manage to kill 1 person, while you have the 2v1 advantage and a second life. Then you are garbage, it's as simple as that. I can understand not wanting to be invaded while solo, but you can easily kill an invader with an extra person. If the second person spams crossbow shots or magic while the other is fighting the invader there really isn't much you can do. You have also clearly never done an invasion, or you would also realize how much connection is on your side as well. Seriously if it's so easy then go get some severed hands, should be simple right? Except you're gonna join, get one shot by some spell or crossbow then go "WtF HaPPenEd tO mY 10x reSIsTanCe!?"

[Liddy]

Originally posted by JoJo:

Originally posted by Liddy:

Your coop partners don't get the scaling, and the invader doesn't get the scaling if the host is a lower level, forcing weirder scaling. You're trying to argue against someone gathering tangible data by you saying "no I'm an ebin pro XD"

You can argue all you want about "skill issue", but what do you want, a congrats for beating someone while you've got 10x their resistance and a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of extra damage lol?

Dude. If you cannot manage to kill 1 person, while you have the 2v1 advantage and a second life. Then you are garbage, it's as simple as that. I can understand not wanting to be invaded while solo, but you can easily kill an invader with an extra person. If the second person spams crossbow shots or magic while the other is fighting the invader there really isn't much you can do. You have also clearly never done an invasion, or you would also realize how much connection is on your side as well. Seriously if it's so easy then go get some severed hands, should be simple right? Except you're gonna join, get one shot by some spell or crossbow then go "WtF HaPPenEd tO mY 10x reSIsTanCe!?"

Do you seriously not realize I'm speaking as an invader? Who cares if theres two players when they die in 1 hit, vs you tanking 6? Are you so inept you immediately assume it's an "us elite invaders vs these peasant coop players", not even realizing I'm speaking as someone who likes invading and has spent most of my time farming hands because your heads so far up your own butt?

The only time an invader should die is the hosts net starts rubberbanding them into the hits, if you've died as an invader in any other interaction you just played bad.

However, this exact issue isn't healthy for the online environment. Winning invasions was always supposed to be an uphill battle, but it just isn't here, we have stone heals, spell heals, a ♥♥♥♥ ton of resistances that make everything but echos irrelevant, and crazy high damage, all on top of a multitude of hilariously easy 1 shot applications.

They even nerfed dervla explosive by making it "cost more ammo" but you can build infinite ammo, it did nothing and it still takes no skill to partake in these invasions you're so defensive about.