umbral spells

[FluttershyFan121]

what would be perhaps my best weapon buff and ranged spell for a pure umbral build? i just got Umbral Weapon, and i've been using Umbral Orb a lot right now. I just got past Dervla to give an idea where i'm at, and i have my catalyst

[Phantom Limb]

Umbral weapon buffs do not seem strong enough to be effective.
Spells on the other hand: you need just 2 to defeat any possible enemy or boss. The first one is Latimer's javelin from Hushed saint rememberance for long range attacks. The second one is Barrage of echoes from Dervla's rememberance for huge bursts of magic damage. Those are all you really need to beat the game.

[FluttershyFan121]

Originally posted by Phantom Limb:

Umbral weapon buffs do not seem strong enough to be effective.
Spells on the other hand: you need just 2 to defeat any possible enemy or boss. The first one is Latimer's javelin from Hushed saint rememberance for long range attacks. The second one is Barrage of echoes from Dervla's rememberance for huge bursts of magic damage. Those are all you really need to beat the game.

i funnily have both. i'm guessing i should just use umbral weapon for a weapon buff in that case? or poison weapon to counter the wither bar?

[FluttershyFan121]

because i did pick up the Nohuta Polearm, though i've also been using the putrid child sword for a faster option still

[Phantom Limb]

Originally posted by fluttershythekind110:

Originally posted by Phantom Limb:

Umbral weapon buffs do not seem strong enough to be effective.
Spells on the other hand: you need just 2 to defeat any possible enemy or boss. The first one is Latimer's javelin from Hushed saint rememberance for long range attacks. The second one is Barrage of echoes from Dervla's rememberance for huge bursts of magic damage. Those are all you really need to beat the game.

i funnily have both. i'm guessing i should just use umbral weapon for a weapon buff in that case? or poison weapon to counter the wither bar?

Like I said there is no real need to use umbral buffs because wither damage isn't really useful and poison feels unnecessary because enemy is dead most of the time before you can proc poison.

[strangerism]

Latimer's javelin is best spell imho. Umbral and poison are also good, despite what people say. it's just opens for different playstyles, for instance with daggers or spears you can drop few hits on big dudes and then kite them until they die if necessary. you'll never know how things can be good or helpful until you try them

[The Ultimate Despair]

Originally posted by Phantom Limb:

Originally posted by fluttershythekind110:

i funnily have both. i'm guessing i should just use umbral weapon for a weapon buff in that case? or poison weapon to counter the wither bar?

Like I said there is no real need to use umbral buffs because wither damage isn't really useful and poison feels unnecessary because enemy is dead most of the time before you can proc poison.

My main build was literally wither and poison focused. Just because you can't make something work properly doesn't mean that it doesn't.

To answer OP:

Pallid Bile- High wither damage and high Poison build up. Extremely strong.
Latimer's Javelin- Lots of posture damae and by far highest damaging Umbral spell due to the best relibility. Also does AoE.
Umbral Agony- Absolutely absurd spell. Does absurd wither damage causing insane posture damage, then explodes and deals high damage combined with the wither. You can free aim it to wipe any enemy groups in complete seconds.

With these three spells alone you win the game.

[ArtoriasOFtheAbyss]

umbral weapons are AWFUL, umbral weapons doesn´t even had a special ability, and as umbral build your best weapon option is the pieta+elianne sword , wich indeed both are more a radiance weapons than an umbral weapons

umbral build spells are good, but weapons? awful , much worse than inferno or radiance , the best weapon for an umbral build is the judge cleric corrupted sword and elianne+ pietta sword, and that is all

[strangerism]

have you tried rusamunde sword?
Anyway is not just the best damage that turns into fun.
Having done a str/radiance build and agi/inferno build now I am doing a pure umbral build and it's a different playstyle just as those two before were and if I decide to simply do daggers and poison build is going to be another way of playing this game and it will be fun the same.

[「Lukja」]

I left a little review of each Umbral spell on the LOTF Fextralife page. Take it with a NG perspective.
Rosamund is the best early-game option for a weapon.

[FluttershyFan121]

I can see how the spells are strong. I equipped rings and a necklace to increase my spell power and damage, and this javelin is hitting hard. Only small downside i can see is using it during a boss fight and being stuck in the animation while standing still

[ArtoriasOFtheAbyss]

rosamund sword is good, but without any special ability it makes a boring weapon

putrid child swords are the worst of all, i have it on my umbral build at 50/50 , and even with that high stats it has only a 384 attack rating, wich is AWFUL

to do "decent" damage you need to use umbral weapon on that sword , and also dual whield it with grayson ring , im talking damage on ng+

so for an umbral build, fungus encrusted pickaxe , pieta and elianne swords and judge cleric corrupted swords , and that is all , other weapons are boring with no special ability

but strenght builds and quality builds are even worse, there is no single one special ability weapon for pure strenght build , and on a quality build, only two weapons, devrla sword and the cube weapon

this game will be much better if they add special attacks to more weapons instead of only boss weapons

[楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE]

Yep spells in this game looks cool but many of them are underwhelming. Only a few of the are good in most situations and most of them are good is specific situations.

But most of them can make pvp boring.