Opt In / Opt Out for invasions setting

[Mundane_JPG]

There are a few discussions on this exact point already but it tends to devolve into "well there is this other issue still unfixed, so you shouldn't get to have your issue fixed first" or "there are options in game like Mirrors or disabling Online" or "I rarely get invaded to begin with and wish I was invaded more" and "I really enjoy PvP, you should as well"

I'm going to break it down extremely simply.

First, if you have an issue with the game separate to this, go ahead and make your own discussion thread. You deserve to have your say but this isn't the discussion for it, this is purely regarding adding an "Opt in/out" button within the settings menu of the game.

Second: "Why is this even necessary? You can already disable Online functionality in the settings? There are options in the game already." Yes, but some people want to play with their friends. CO-OP PvE is very different to CO-OP PvP. There are also other online features someone may wish to experience without the risk of fighting other people. And lastly, it is just easier. It is hassle free, completely. You don't need to do anything extra, you don't need to purchase items, you don't need to save and quit so on and so forth. Your experience will remain uninterrupted by anything else regardless of how minor that may be. And that is a good Quality of Life change.

Third: "Well I enjoy PvP, what you're proposing is going to make it so that I don't get to fight anybody anymore" No, it's going to make it so that you don't get to fight people that don't want to fight. You are not the only person that enjoys PvP, there will be plenty of people able to provide you a challenge. And if you are one of the ones that enjoys getting invaded, instead of being the invader, this will only make it more likely for you to get to experience this, as there will be fewer hosts available.

Fourth: Who does this hurt? It hurts the people that want to join some random's world that has no idea what they are doing, maybe didn't even know that PvP was a thing, absolutely stomp them, and then leave for the next. It hurts the people that do not want a fair fight. Do you actually want a fair fight? Or are you a bully?

Fifth: "But that makes it too easy". Ok. Don't use it. It would be on an INDIVIDUAL level (or that of the host, in the case of CO-OP) It would not affect you, unless you wanted it to. And if you do use it, and then go "you know what, actually, I would like to try out some PvP. These people have made it sound quite fun, actually" then you can toggle the option back to "Opt In" and give PvP a go, when and if you are ready to.

TLDR: My thoughts: The people massively adverse to this are people that don't want to lose their access to easy targets. People that actually want to experience PvP will benefit from this change just as much as those that don't. The only people that actually suffer are the Bullies that want to stomp "noobs" with minimal fear that they will be stomped in return.

[Average Taco Bell Enjoyer]

PVP in the game is you run into a potato, you run into a cheater or you run into a person with one shot build who plays on wifi and is barry allen the flash.

Don't take it serious the devs don't lol

I'm more worried they adding the option to disable coop invasion they will break something else and take forever to fix it. The coop ladder issue/interactions is simple code fix yet we waited forever.

We still have the random fall through map bugs as well.

[Mundane_JPG]

Originally posted by Average Taco Bell Enjoyer:

I'm more worried they adding the option to disable coop invasion they will break something else and take forever to fix it. The coop ladder issue/interactions is simple code fix yet we waited forever.

We still have the random fall through map bugs as well.

You see, this is a fairer argument and one I didn't actually think of.

I would personally say, that is the reason Devs have playtesters and the ability to put out Beta tests for updates.

Yes, there is a chance "fixing" or adding in a feature, will break features elsewhere.

I do not think that that is enough of a reason to not try. The game would not have gotten to where it is now if the Devs just sat twiddling their thumbs out of fear "something else might break in the process"

[Mundane_JPG]

Originally posted by Mundane_JPG:

I would personally say, that is the reason Devs have playtesters and the ability to put out Beta tests for updates.

It's also kind of the Dev's entire job. Like they are supposed to develop stuff lol. Our role is simply to give suggestions

[Suwako]

- If you don't like pvp don't engauge with it. Use mirrors. Don't want to? Exit to main and load back in. Around 5 seconds on modern NVMEs. Don't want to spend the 5 seconds? Rest at a rest stop. Instantly kicks the invader out.

I cant stress this enough, you have options to completely and utterly avoid PvP with 0 repercussions. Use them.

[Mundane_JPG]

Originally posted by Suwako:

- If you don't like pvp don't engauge with it. Use mirrors. Don't want to? Exit to main and load back in. Around 5 seconds on modern NVMEs. Don't want to spend the 5 seconds? Rest at a rest stop. Instantly kicks the invader out.

I cant stress this enough, you have options to completely and utterly avoid PvP with 0 repercussions. Use them.

Read point 2

[Suwako]

Originally posted by Mundane_JPG:

Originally posted by Suwako:

- If you don't like pvp don't engauge with it. Use mirrors. Don't want to? Exit to main and load back in. Around 5 seconds on modern NVMEs. Don't want to spend the 5 seconds? Rest at a rest stop. Instantly kicks the invader out.

I cant stress this enough, you have options to completely and utterly avoid PvP with 0 repercussions. Use them.

Read point 2

I have never. In my 150 hours playing, which is 35 times your play time, ever lost a 2v1. Invaders while doing CO-OP are free dyes and armor.

[Mundane_JPG]

Originally posted by Suwako:

Originally posted by Mundane_JPG:

Read point 2

I have never. In my 150 hours playing, which is 35 times your play time, ever lost a 2v1. Invaders while doing CO-OP are free dyes and armor.

Good for you. Read point three.

[Suwako]

You're just attention farming at this point. It'll never change.

I cant stress this enough, you have options to completely and utterly avoid PvP with 0 repercussions. Use them.

[Mundane_JPG]

Originally posted by Suwako:

You're just attention farming at this point. It'll never change.

This is a flat out lie. I am just voicing an opinion that you disagree with and instead of actually discrediting a single thing I have said you are trying to discredit me personally.

It was clear you didn't even bother reading my post and simply copy pasted your same tired argument as you have pasted in every other post regarding this, an argument I literally commented on within the explanation of the Discussion itself. Point two was addressing you, all but directly.

Originally posted by Suwako:

I cant stress this enough, you have options to completely and utterly avoid PvP with 0 repercussions. Use them.

You mean optional things? Like this would be an option that you get to use or not use as and when you wish? Like I addressed in point two of the discussion? Like has derailed these discussions time and time again?

I can't stress this enough, myself: If you don't want to use the proposed opt out feature, don't use the opt out feature.

But this does not mean it should not be made. For those that actually do want it, it is
simple Quality of Life.

You aren't adding anything I haven't already addressed. You are simply doing exactly what I called out in the very beginning and attempting to devolve the discussion into meaningless "well womp womp womp"

If either of us is seeking attention, it is you.

[Suwako]

Originally posted by Mundane_JPG:

This is a flat out lie. I am just voicing an opinion that you disagree with and instead of actually discrediting a single thing I have said you are trying to discredit me personally

No. There is a thread with over 130 posts about this same topic, you just rephrased it. You were posting there as well.

Originally posted by Mundane_JPG:

You mean optional things? Like this would be an option that you get to use or not use as and when you wish? I can't stress this enough, myself: If you don't want to use the proposed opt out feature, don't use the opt out feature.

It should still exist, though. For those that actually do want it. It is Quality of Life.

Adding an option to remove PvP will never happen. It's never happened for any serious soul like. No matter how much people cried, complained, or rage baited. its never changed in the past 16 years and It'll never happen to this game. This isn't an opinion this is a fact. You have a problem with PvP, I have provided the information you need to completely avoid it. There is a way in-game to avoid pvp without going off-line. I have posted it multiple times, and you simply refuse it because its not how YOU want it.

What you want does not matter- what I want does not matter either, unless there's hundreds of thousands of us which there isn't. What does matter is the options you have in front of you, which you refuse to use because its not how you want it.

[Mundane_JPG]

Originally posted by Suwako:

Adding an option to remove PvP will never happen. It's never happened for any serious soul like. No matter how much people cried, complained, or rage baited. its never changed in the past 16 years and It'll never happen to this game. This isn't an opinion this is a fact. You have a problem with PvP, I have provided the information you need to completely avoid it. There is a way in-game to avoid pvp without going off-line. I have posted it multiple times, and you simply refuse it because its not how YOU want it.

What you want does not matter- what I want does not matter either, unless there's hundreds of thousands of us which there isn't. What does matter is the options you have in front of you, which you refuse to use because its not how you want it.

What do you think the purpose of a damn discussion is? It's to drum up attention for an issue at hand. Whether you like it or not, this is an issue for some people.

It may achieve nothing, but there is a chance that the Devs do see it, that enough people logically look at it and go "you know what that makes sense", that the Dev's may feel inclined to do something about it.

And don't say "it's never happened for any serious souls like" because it is already happening! Elden Ring has Invasions off by default whilst retaining online functionality, when not in a party, they are already opt in via use of a single player item.

Things change, it takes time, sure, but things are already showing change.

Having it so that Invasions are able to be opted out of completely even when in a party feels like a logical next step.

You aren't coming at it correctly. If someone were to be like "how can I stop invasions?" Your point of "well there's this item and that ability and resting and quitting and so on and so forth" is completely valid, it is good and helpful info to have!

But this discussion is not requesting info on how to already deal with it. It is requesting another way, an easier way that doesn't require an item, a way that is simply within the menu itself.

You are not helping. Nobody is asking for help. They are asking for change. You are trying to give help when people want change and then calling people lazy.

[Suwako]

- If you don't like pvp don't engauge with it. Use mirrors. Don't want to? Exit to main and load back in. Around 5 seconds on modern NVMEs. Don't want to spend the 5 seconds? Rest at a rest stop. Instantly kicks the invader out.

I cant stress this enough, you have options to completely and utterly avoid PvP with 0 repercussions. Use them.

[Mundane_JPG]

Originally posted by Suwako:

- If you don't like pvp don't engauge with it. Use mirrors. Don't want to? Exit to main and load back in. Around 5 seconds on modern NVMEs. Don't want to spend the 5 seconds? Rest at a rest stop. Instantly kicks the invader out.

I cant stress this enough, you have options to completely and utterly avoid PvP with 0 repercussions. Use them.

I give up on you, you are incapable of reading comprehension.

Troll. You are a troll.

[Suwako]

I have given you a way to essentially turn off PvP. It's just not presented in the way you wanted. This topic is so dry and crusty, we're the only ones here lmao. Im sure that now that I've said that some one else will chime in just because- but look at the time. If it wasn't for me this thread would have been gone and buried 😂

You have 4 hours in this game. Come on man. You have no skin in this race.

[Mundane_JPG]

Originally posted by Suwako:

I have given you a way to essentially turn off PvP. .

You are actually unable to read aren't you? You actually just can't get anything in through that thick skull of yours can you? Nobody ever asked you for "a way to essentially turn off PvP", your input has constantly been utterly irrelevant.

Your opinion, is irrelevant. It bears no weight on this discussion, at all. I don't know what you want me to say, I have addressed everything you have said, numerous times, and you still can not get it through your skull, that what you are saying, is not what is being asked.

Talking to you is worse than talking to a brick wall, because you actually think you are somehow correct in what you are saying.

You are not. Your entire argument, is a completely separate topic.

You are irrelevant. I will not respond to you again.