Question about PVP invasion

[Lilu Vakarian]

I've already seen a few posts where people have complained about the invasions, including co-op.

My friend and I have been playing the game for over 50 hours now and have only been attacked once in the entire time and that was on the first day of the game in the swamp. never again since then...

Because of the coins, we would be happy to have more Invaders. But no one is coming...? are we doing something wrong? can you influence that?`

We have already “Platinated” the game once via the Xbox store and are now planning to do the same on Steam. We were attacked very often back then on xbox store. Sure it was really annoying at some times, but it brought some variety...


additional question:

if you get killed in Ironman mode. Do you have to start from the beginning, too?

[Suwako]

Alright, let me dispel some things.

- Most people crying on the forums about invaders have probably been killed a couple times and come here to spin tales about how they've been hunted 50 times in a row and how 120% of them are cheaters. Heres the deal; They haven't. 120 hours. I've been invaded like 15 times. Never ran into a cheater. I did run into a few people who had funky builds that made me frost bite or bleed, or ignite in a couple of hits, which makes it LOOK like i suddenly lost all my HP. But hey, people would be more sympathetic if i said a cheater took me out and his mysterious group has sent 50 assassins to prevent me from reaching the next seedling spot... which is usually like 2 minutes away from each other in this game.

-PVP is completely and utterly random. People cant target you, people cant go after specific level ranges. Theres a funky scaling system in place that sorta kinda works, but not really. The population is just too low- the single most damning thing is that in all my invading experience, its a horrendous slog. From loading screens that take 3-5 minutes and the fact that about 80% of my invasions are 1v2's, invading is a terrible, horrible experience. you can be level capped and if there's 2 enemy players there is absolutely nothing you can do. Unless you're doing some BS which by the way- if you get that 1v2, chances are they will use said BS.

So put all this into perspective. You're an invader- you get into an actual 1v1. What now? You run that mofo down like hes the last OLED TV during black friday because you dont know when you'll get another 1v1 and you've eaten so many Orius' Judgement spams that you dont know what hes going to pull out and you sure as hell wont give him a chance.

So in short; You're more than likely not being invaded because the invader population is incredibly small. Its slow, annoying, tedious, and getting a 'fair' fight is nearly impossible. Those who do get run down come cry on the forums because that invader saw a 1v1 and went into a bloodlust frenzy.

To top all of this off- Crucibles are an insanely faster way to get those couple of dyes you want. so theres is 0 incentive to invade- There's no leaderboard, kill/death tracker. So those that invade are doing it more for fun than anything- and they're persecuted like they're a swarm of locusts when in reality its probably like 5 dudes listening to music on youtube watching a loading screen for 5 minutes hoping that maybe this 7th invasion isn't another gank, and the enemy player doesn't die in two hits because scaling doesn't work half the time.

By Adyr. I think I expelled some demons lmao.

[Suwako]

Oh- also if you make an ironman, by default invasions are disabled I think. You can enable/disable them on the multiplayer options. If you're killed by an invader you do get reset.

[AggroBuLLeT]

Originally posted by Suwako:

Alright, let me dispel some things.

- Most people crying on the forums about invaders have probably been killed a couple times and come here to spin tales about how they've been hunted 50 times in a row and how 120% of them are cheaters. Heres the deal; They haven't. 120 hours. I've been invaded like 15 times. Never ran into a cheater. I did run into a few people who had funky builds that made me frost bite or bleed, or ignite in a couple of hits, which makes it LOOK like i suddenly lost all my HP. But hey, people would be more sympathetic if i said a cheater took me out and his mysterious group has sent 50 assassins to prevent me from reaching the next seedling spot... which is usually like 2 minutes away from each other in this game.

-PVP is completely and utterly random. People cant target you, people cant go after specific level ranges. Theres a funky scaling system in place that sorta kinda works, but not really. The population is just too low- the single most damning thing is that in all my invading experience, its a horrendous slog. From loading screens that take 3-5 minutes and the fact that about 80% of my invasions are 1v2's, invading is a terrible, horrible experience. you can be level capped and if there's 2 enemy players there is absolutely nothing you can do. Unless you're doing some BS which by the way- if you get that 1v2, chances are they will use said BS.

So put all this into perspective. You're an invader- you get into an actual 1v1. What now? You run that mofo down like hes the last OLED TV during black friday because you dont know when you'll get another 1v1 and you've eaten so many Orius' Judgement spams that you dont know what hes going to pull out and you sure as hell wont give him a chance.

So in short; You're more than likely not being invaded because the invader population is incredibly small. Its slow, annoying, tedious, and getting a 'fair' fight is nearly impossible. Those who do get run down come cry on the forums because that invader saw a 1v1 and went into a bloodlust frenzy.

To top all of this off- Crucibles are an insanely faster way to get those couple of dyes you want. so theres is 0 incentive to invade- There's no leaderboard, kill/death tracker. So those that invade are doing it more for fun than anything- and they're persecuted like they're a swarm of locusts when in reality its probably like 5 dudes listening to music on youtube watching a loading screen for 5 minutes hoping that maybe this 7th invasion isn't another gank, and the enemy player doesn't die in two hits because scaling doesn't work half the time.

By Adyr. I think I expelled some demons lmao.

that is so true. I'm basically spamming invades all day and its usually 2vs1. Invaders are at a huge disadvtanage yet some people here claim we are ruining their lifes.

first invade - oh cool, against 2 guys...again... oh... one guy spamming orius judgement and the other using the inferna hammer special attack. cool, I lost.

second invade: oh what do I see here? 2 guys again and this time one is using a fast spear and the other pieta's sword, which has grand sword range but short sword moveset (insanely fast). Oh, they R1 spam me together. Looks like I die again.

Repeat that for another 7 invades

10th invade: oh hell yes! finally a solo guy! oh...he's already in umbral, looks like this is gonna be easy. - I stomp the guy

The guy 5 minutes later in steam forum: "OMG guys I got invaded by a hacker or something. or maybe he was lvl 850 idk. either way its NOT a skill issue! this is insanely unfair, invaders are literally RUINING this game. I now have to run about 30 seconds to the place he killed me at to collect my 4k souls .they make our lives miserable and this game unplayable. I think they should be nerfed.

we should make invasions optional to make the pvp pool even SMALLER. oh btw I know about the mirrors but I never ever used them once in my life, I come here to whine and complain about these satanic pvpers despite knowing of their existence. "

every time.

[Astral Projection]

Originally posted by Suwako:

Alright, let me dispel some things.

- Most people crying on the forums about invaders have probably been killed a couple times and come here to spin tales about how they've been hunted 50 times in a row and how 120% of them are cheaters. Heres the deal; They haven't. 120 hours. I've been invaded like 15 times. Never ran into a cheater. I did run into a few people who had funky builds that made me frost bite or bleed, or ignite in a couple of hits, which makes it LOOK like i suddenly lost all my HP. But hey, people would be more sympathetic if i said a cheater took me out and his mysterious group has sent 50 assassins to prevent me from reaching the next seedling spot... which is usually like 2 minutes away from each other in this game.

-PVP is completely and utterly random. People cant target you, people cant go after specific level ranges. Theres a funky scaling system in place that sorta kinda works, but not really. The population is just too low- the single most damning thing is that in all my invading experience, its a horrendous slog. From loading screens that take 3-5 minutes and the fact that about 80% of my invasions are 1v2's, invading is a terrible, horrible experience. you can be level capped and if there's 2 enemy players there is absolutely nothing you can do. Unless you're doing some BS which by the way- if you get that 1v2, chances are they will use said BS.

So put all this into perspective. You're an invader- you get into an actual 1v1. What now? You run that mofo down like hes the last OLED TV during black friday because you dont know when you'll get another 1v1 and you've eaten so many Orius' Judgement spams that you dont know what hes going to pull out and you sure as hell wont give him a chance.

So in short; You're more than likely not being invaded because the invader population is incredibly small. Its slow, annoying, tedious, and getting a 'fair' fight is nearly impossible. Those who do get run down come cry on the forums because that invader saw a 1v1 and went into a bloodlust frenzy.

To top all of this off- Crucibles are an insanely faster way to get those couple of dyes you want. so theres is 0 incentive to invade- There's no leaderboard, kill/death tracker. So those that invade are doing it more for fun than anything- and they're persecuted like they're a swarm of locusts when in reality its probably like 5 dudes listening to music on youtube watching a loading screen for 5 minutes hoping that maybe this 7th invasion isn't another gank, and the enemy player doesn't die in two hits because scaling doesn't work half the time.

By Adyr. I think I expelled some demons lmao.

My experiences as well cooping with multiple others.

[Suwako]

I think the worst part is how fun pvp fights are when they're not laggy. You just eventually reach a point we're you decimate anything in PvE with a mean glare. Being vilified for using a system in the game is insane to me.

We can at least take comfort in the fact that once the people complaining about PvP beat the game once, then rage quit after drying a couple of times on NG+ ironman, we will still be here staring at that loading screen lmao.

[楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE]

I always love an invasion but having soloed entire play thru with online mode. I was hardly or ever invaded. Joining random players session so far has only seen me and the random guy invaded twice this week. I love invasions. I too invade people when I am bored fighting AI.

I would say, invasion isn't as bad as many people cry about. While I do kill players who are not that good with the game. Most of the time, as an invader, I get ganged and destroyed.

Do remember that this game is not balanced for pvp though the devs has nerfed a lot of ridiculous weapons and spell for pvp. It sure is not enough. If the invader can make a BS crazy build, what stopping the coop players for doing the same?

So yes, like the first guy who responded. Its the whinners, people who can't take it, bought a game that clearly states pvp is part of the feature but wanted everything to go their way. They do have the option to play offline. If they want to play coop, well suck it up or play another game.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by Suwako:

Alright, let me dispel some things.

- Most people crying on the forums about invaders have probably been killed a couple times and come here to spin tales about how they've been hunted 50 times in a row and how 120% of them are cheaters. Heres the deal; They haven't. 120 hours. I've been invaded like 15 times. Never ran into a cheater. I did run into a few people who had funky builds that made me frost bite or bleed, or ignite in a couple of hits, which makes it LOOK like i suddenly lost all my HP. But hey, people would be more sympathetic if i said a cheater took me out and his mysterious group has sent 50 assassins to prevent me from reaching the next seedling spot... which is usually like 2 minutes away from each other in this game.

-PVP is completely and utterly random. People cant target you, people cant go after specific level ranges. Theres a funky scaling system in place that sorta kinda works, but not really. The population is just too low- the single most damning thing is that in all my invading experience, its a horrendous slog. From loading screens that take 3-5 minutes and the fact that about 80% of my invasions are 1v2's, invading is a terrible, horrible experience. you can be level capped and if there's 2 enemy players there is absolutely nothing you can do. Unless you're doing some BS which by the way- if you get that 1v2, chances are they will use said BS.

So put all this into perspective. You're an invader- you get into an actual 1v1. What now? You run that mofo down like hes the last OLED TV during black friday because you dont know when you'll get another 1v1 and you've eaten so many Orius' Judgement spams that you dont know what hes going to pull out and you sure as hell wont give him a chance.

So in short; You're more than likely not being invaded because the invader population is incredibly small. Its slow, annoying, tedious, and getting a 'fair' fight is nearly impossible. Those who do get run down come cry on the forums because that invader saw a 1v1 and went into a bloodlust frenzy.

To top all of this off- Crucibles are an insanely faster way to get those couple of dyes you want. so theres is 0 incentive to invade- There's no leaderboard, kill/death tracker. So those that invade are doing it more for fun than anything- and they're persecuted like they're a swarm of locusts when in reality its probably like 5 dudes listening to music on youtube watching a loading screen for 5 minutes hoping that maybe this 7th invasion isn't another gank, and the enemy player doesn't die in two hits because scaling doesn't work half the time.

By Adyr. I think I expelled some demons lmao.

Honestly, of the 3 times I was invaded 2 were not bloodlust and the very first one even used gesture before starting (a normal thing in "at least" slightly experienced PVP players in Souls) so ... yes, I also been invaded 3x in the first 15h and now am 16h without being invaded, I guess it is "luck based" and prob timezones also play a role at it (I am at Brazil, GMT+3 and play more often between 18:00 to 19:00 and 22:00 to 00:00 (so at Europe it is 9pm to 10pm and 1am to 3am at Greenwich). Maybe most invaders are from GMT- at Europe or Asia and while I play they are asleep?
Maybe other players are just "lucky" to get invasions while I am "lucky" I am not?
I dont know, I am just guessing possibilities here, but the netcode when I was invaded was good, quite stable.

[Sarrus]

Pvp is trash and needs to be disabled

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by Sarrus:

Pvp is trash and needs to be disabled

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