NG+ is completely unbalanced piece of crap

[Agent4Seven]

Basically, as soon as you'll get to the Harrower Dervla (3rd main boss in the game, killed her first try in the NG), it's a hard stop and unbelievable tedium and boredom. Starting with Harrower Dervla, bosses have at least 3-4 times more HP and you can do anything about it cuz you can't up your dmg output at least 1,5-2 times to compinsate, stats scaling even with rings are crap (not to mention regular scaling, which is absurdly low and broken) as well and strenght builds are useless. And as if that's not enough, you can only get more Vigor from bosses in NG+, regular enemies will give you the same Vigor as in NG.

How can you even call this good game design? None of the From games have this kind of bs in their NG+. Why is it still not adressed in any of the patches over the last few months?

[The Black Baron]

Yeah they are going to re balance NG+ That's on the roadmap. I think something came inbetween that they need more time working on that update.

[Warbreaker]

I'm proud I did a NG umbral ending str, it was rough, but I can't even think how tedium it would be on NG+

They want you to use spells which is kind of dumb, Bramis castle with str build was such a pain, I will do another playthrough with a different build but would never do NG+ and don't even get me started in the other ending bosses, I'm only doing umbral, fk the achievements.

[Kurobon]

I found NG+ balanced enough to be honest.

NG++ on the other hand felt like a convoluted boss rush mode. Just trivialize anything until you get to the strong boss for a legit fight that will take you 20 tries or more because you need to keep proccing status effects and be patient.

In NG++, ever mob has a lot of HP and do a lot of damage, but you can Corrupt Javelin to one-shot or perma stagger all mobs and all mid bosses in the game, which turns the game from NG++ into Very Easy until you make it to a challenging boss, hence the "boss rush mode" comment.

Sure, you can corrupt Javelin cheese in NG+ as well, but in NG+ mobs are manageable with a normal build, in NG++ you need to nuke them or they will swarm and kill you.

Corrupted Javelin is so broken in terms of AOE and direct ranged dmg that I am unsure why this item made it to the game, and then there's no ammo penalty thanks to the infinite ammo Eye socket.

I respecced in NG++ to do a dual dagger / parry play-through, but could only do so in select bosses because everything else was infinite ganks of hidh gensity / high HP mobs. I want to do this, but seems like I will do this on NG... after I got 2 Jef Daggers in level 10 along with Dunmire's ring and Andreas ring that allows for a cool parry playthrough. FML

In my opinion, all these soulslike should have an option to start NG at your base level but with all unpgraded weapons and accessories you find, so you can do full playthroughs with a specific build. Basically, allowing you to create your own "starting class". That would be great, man.

[Agent4Seven]

Normal enemies are not a problem for me at all in NG+, they're just as easy as in the NG. I mean, even regular enemies reused as bosses are not a problem cuz by the time you finish NG, you'll learn how to make quick work of these enemies and it won't be a problem for you ever again.

I've 40 points in all stats except Inferno and focusing on large two-handed weapons, using Radiant magic spells and it's not helping to deal with the Harrower Dervla at all. I've tried to do it with the summons and it's even more tedious than doing it alone cuz she has even more HP. But even if you fight her alone it is not making it manageable too.

There's just nothing you can do to up your dmg cuz you already upgraded your weapon to +10 and stats, stats scaling are complete bs even with rings and runes. I mean, why can you get +400/500 to Burn or Ignite defence by equipping a ring and not getting the same amount of buff to your damage with specific rings? It's an effin' joke.

I mean, you don't really need +400/500 dmg buff in NG at all, cuz it's perfectly fine without it, but when you up the HP of most of the main bosses 3-4 times in NG+, don't you think that it's only fair that you should be getting such buffs to dmg via rings in NG+? I mean, ffs, you can't even farm Vigor cuz only bosses have increased Vigor gains in NG+, not regular enemies and Moth ring won't help you here at all.

Status effects are also complete pois and a joke with + -12 HP loss per second when you apply status effects. Do I even need to mention that bosses have like 300-500K HP in NG+? How can you deal with them with such bs status effects? Why is there also no cold damage in the game at all and a mechanic to let you freeze enemies and shatter them to pieces? There's a few weapons with cold effects which have good dmg after activation, but it's an extremely rare activation bc you need to land a lot of hits for it to trigger and huge weapons are not fit or balanced for this at all.

WTF, HexWorks? You did a lot of things right in the game, but at the same time a lof of thing wrong. There's literally no From games with the same problems and 99% of 3D Souls-likes with NG+ don't have these problems. How on earth have you managed to make it worse? I highly doubt that i's an engine swith thing.

[Blacksmith77K]

Originally posted by Agent4Seven:

Basically, as soon as you'll get to the Harrower Dervla (3rd main boss in the game, killed her first try in the NG), it's a hard stop and unbelievable tedium and boredom. Starting with Harrower Dervla, bosses have at least 3-4 times more HP and you can do anything about it cuz you can't up your dmg output at least 1,5-2 times to compinsate, stats scaling even with rings are crap (not to mention regular scaling, which is absurdly low and broken) as well and strenght builds are useless.

I feel your pain, i thought the same in NG+, until I saw the following video.

I don't contradict what you wrote, I also think that in NG+1 the difficulty curve of the bosses increases too suddenly to much.

but please take a look at how the dude moves in the following video!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut6bbGBI00Q


that inspired me a lot!

[Agent4Seven]

Originally posted by Blacksmith77K:

Originally posted by Agent4Seven:

Basically, as soon as you'll get to the Harrower Dervla (3rd main boss in the game, killed her first try in the NG), it's a hard stop and unbelievable tedium and boredom. Starting with Harrower Dervla, bosses have at least 3-4 times more HP and you can do anything about it cuz you can't up your dmg output at least 1,5-2 times to compinsate, stats scaling even with rings are crap (not to mention regular scaling, which is absurdly low and broken) as well and strenght builds are useless.

I feel your pain, i thought the same in NG+, until I saw the following video.

I don't contradict what you wrote, I also think that in NG+1 the difficulty curve of the bosses increases too suddenly to much.

but please take a look at how the dude moves in the following video!
that inspired me a lot!

I already killed her and the crow boss. But then lost all my vigor (around 300+K) and can't get it back. It's there on the ground, but when I pick it up it's not giving me lost 300K vigor back.

https://i.imgur.com/Me1YFRo.jpeg

WTF, HexWorks?! How is it even a thing in a game like this and it happened to me two times!!! Never have I lost souls in any From game in such a way. WTF am I supposed to do now to get all this lost vigor back? Use cheats? It sure effin' looks like it's the only option.

[Sobs Echo® Prestige Sounds]

What level are you? Do you use any magic? This game discourages a 100% melee approach, especially on NG+, is barely viable.

I would recommend you to bring all stats at 60, or at least the worth ones (str/agi based on your weapon scaling, 60 vitality, 60 magic and at least 30 endurance).

Also, a shield is highly recommended, even with giant weapons (you just need Gerlinde’s rune to remove weight in the shield), or try dual wielding (but be good at dodging).

[Agent4Seven]

As I've stated above, I'm using Radiant magic. I can't up stats to 60 cuz 1) I lost 300K Vigor which I can't get back and 2) I need to grind a ♥♥♥♥ ton cuz you're talking about 60 levels, and I've all stats at 40 except Inferno (which is at 8). I've zero interest in grinding cuz you can't even do it properly in the game - regular enemies drop pos amount of vigor and as I also said - moth ring does not help. In From games you could at least help other players to kill bosses etc. to level up a bunch and you can do it fast, but there's no such system in place in LOTF and on the same level of quality, so you can't even do that cuz net code is absolute crap with constant disconnects and occasional hard crashes.

Also, I know about the shield, runes and other stuff, there's no need to explain how the game works. What bother me the most right now is how to effin' get those 300K of vigor back, cuz after losing that much I lost all interest in continue playing the game, cuz it's like 14 levels at least which are lost forever.

[Blacksmith77K]

Originally posted by Agent4Seven:

I lost 300K Vigor which I can't get back and 2) I need to grind a ♥♥♥♥ ton cuz you're talking about 60 levels, and I've all stat's at 40 except Inferno (which is at 8). I've zero interest in grinding...

Okay, add me and i will drop you 300k skulls

[Agent4Seven]

Originally posted by Blacksmith77K:

Okay, add me and i will drop you 300k skulls

Thank you! I've sent you a friend invite. I need to download the game though + it's almost 21:00 so I won't bother you today. Sent me a message tomorrow when you'll have free time :)

[Blacksmith77K]

so, if it was enough, have fun again :o)

[bluvega28]

Originally posted by Agent4Seven:

Basically, as soon as you'll get to the Harrower Dervla (3rd main boss in the game, killed her first try in the NG), it's a hard stop and unbelievable tedium and boredom. Starting with Harrower Dervla, bosses have at least 3-4 times more HP and you can do anything about it cuz you can't up your dmg output at least 1,5-2 times to compinsate, stats scaling even with rings are crap (not to mention regular scaling, which is absurdly low and broken) as well and strenght builds are useless. And as if that's not enough, you can only get more Vigor from bosses in NG+, regular enemies will give you the same Vigor as in NG.

How can you even call this good game design? None of the From games have this kind of bs in their NG+. Why is it still not adressed in any of the patches over the last few months?

I totally agree with you. NG+ in this game is trash and is just like NG+50 in a From Software game.

Normal enemies are fine, but bosses need a huge balancing process (in terms of HP bar and damage), especially those from Harrower Dervla till endgame.

[Agent4Seven]

Originally posted by bluvega28:

I totally agree with you. NG+ in this game is trash and is just like NG+50 in a From Software game.

Normal enemies are fine, but bosses need a huge balancing process (in terms of HP bar and damage), especially those from Harrower Dervla till endgame.

I haven't seen other main bosses beyond the Crow in NG+ yet, but the Crow btw is a lot more tedious and time consuming to fight than in the NG where it's very easy. In NG+ you can only damage the girl a few times and you have to repeat the process at least 4-5 times for the damage to go through to the Crow and you have to do that 5 times at least, so it's 25 times in total ffs! It's just not fun or challenging, it's just extremely tedious, boring af and takes a sht ton of time, not to mention that enemies are respawning constanty and endlessly to make it even worse.

WTF were they thinking?! There's no new movesets or new phases for main bosses, it's just the same stuff as in NG but much, MUCH WORSE! Un-effin'-believable. How can you F up NG+ so bad? It must be intentional, just like other bad design decisions they made and which they even confirmed on one of the streams. They better fix all this sh*t (and much more which I haven't even mentioned cuz it'll take pages upon pages to name and point out everything) before June 21st, cuz after that date no one will even remember or want to buy this game when the Elden Ring expansion will be released.

Originally posted by Blacksmith77K:

so, if it was enough, have fun again :o)

Thank you again for the help! :)

[_#R3ck#_]

by the time you hit ng+ you d be ready and do 2k-4k dmg least....
if not well lvl up or prepare your butt

[Agent4Seven]

Originally posted by _#R3ck#_:

by the time you hit ng+ you d be ready and do 2k-4k dmg least....
if not well lvl up or prepare your butt

You can't do such amount of DMG in NG+ without dual wielding huge swords/axes/hammers in both hands - I'm not doing that.

As for level-uo, in NG+ you will get more than 1.3mil Vigor and you can't farm sh*t. These 1.3mil will get you 55lvls at best and they won't help you AT ALL to get 3-4K damage. 2K DMG is an effin' joke - I'm already getting 1,5K from charged strong attacks.

Respecing is also not my thing and I never do that in games cuz I never had a need for it, unless we're talking about Dragon's Dogma.

We shouldn't even talk about all this bs cuz it must not be in NG+ AT ALL. Net code is aldo POS and multiplayer barely even working, not to mention the amount of people playing the game right now is extremely low and even cross play won't help you.