Old topic, the stupidity of removing Vestige in NG+ and beyond.

[楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE]

This has nothing to do with increasing difficulty, running pass mobs is easy. What this does is making quests unnecessary troublesome to do. Who the hell think this is a "feature" related to game difficulty? I can run pass mobs easy. True, by NG+3 I can easily afford vestige seeds, no issue too.

Why the F is the devs trying to make NG+ a running simulator? ROFLMA... I mean who is the genius behind this decision.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkowqz2m_h0

[Hercules]

Origineel geplaatst door 楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE:

Origineel geplaatst door Bat:

So play NG+0 kiddo and unlock your endings that way, don't like it? play NG+1 with few vestiges, do another one on NG+2 with even fewer vestiges, there you go, it is not so hard to understand is it?

NG+1 was supposed to have no vestiges, because of crybabies like you, they gave you two options, first they gave you an option to replay NG and named it NG+0, second was that they made NG+1 and NG+2 with some vestiges and NG+3 without vestiges.

Still not good enough for you? instead of being grateful, you are being a whiner and nobody likes whiners.

Ok, I think intelligence is not your strong point lol.:lunar2019laughingpig:

I think Lords of the Fallen is not your strong point, go play Wo Long for another 1500 hours.

[楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE]

Origineel geplaatst door Bat:

Origineel geplaatst door 楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE:

Ok, I think intelligence is not your strong point lol.

I think Lords of the Fallen is not your strong point, go play Wo Long for another 1500 hours.

I think you are too stupid to realize that people want o fight Elliane at NG+34567. Not see the stupid ending.

[vultok]

So far I cannot think of anything positive about removing the permanent vestiges. It only makes people waste more of their time in subsequent playthroughs.
It's a poorly-made decision. It adds nothing to the game.

[楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE]

Origineel geplaatst door vultok:

So far I cannot think of anything positive about removing the permanent vestiges. It only makes people waste more of their time in subsequent playthroughs.
It's a poorly-made decision. It adds nothing to the game.

No, there is no advantage nor does it make it difficult. It just means you have to run all over the place to unlock the real final boss.

[Hercules]

Origineel geplaatst door 楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE:

Origineel geplaatst door Bat:

I think Lords of the Fallen is not your strong point, go play Wo Long for another 1500 hours.

I think you are too stupid to realize that people want o fight Elliane at NG+34567. Not see the stupid ending. :lunar2019laughingpig:

I think you are too stupid to realize that Developers didn't want any vestiges in NG+3, so there are no vestiges, tough luck, as I said Lords of the Fallen is not your strong point.

[Hercules]

Origineel geplaatst door vultok:

So far I cannot think of anything positive about removing the permanent vestiges. It only makes people waste more of their time in subsequent playthroughs.
It's a poorly-made decision. It adds nothing to the game.

I agree with that, I am not saying No Vestiges is a good decision, all I am saying is, it is what it is at this moment, if anyone don't like the idea of having no vestiges, they should stay clear, if someone wants to play the game still because of whatever reason, then they have to deal with no vestiges.

It's developers choice, you can't ask them to compromise their vision, Idk why they wanted it that way, but they wanted it that way, so it is that way for now.

Edit:

They already compromised it once, from NG+1 to NG+3, what more can we ask of them? They even gave NG+0 option for people.

[楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE]

Origineel geplaatst door Bat:

Origineel geplaatst door 楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE:

I think you are too stupid to realize that people want o fight Elliane at NG+34567. Not see the stupid ending.

I think you are too stupid to realize that Developers didn't want any vestiges in NG+3, so there are no vestiges, tough luck, as I said Lords of the Fallen is not your strong point.

Sure. You are so smart.

[Hercules]

Origineel geplaatst door 楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE:

Origineel geplaatst door Bat:

I think you are too stupid to realize that Developers didn't want any vestiges in NG+3, so there are no vestiges, tough luck, as I said Lords of the Fallen is not your strong point.

Sure. You are so smart.

No, you are just so dumb that it makes other people look smarter.

[Destillat]

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Origineel geplaatst door 楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE:

I think you are too stupid to realize that people want o fight Elliane at NG+34567. Not see the stupid ending. :lunar2019laughingpig:

I think you are too stupid to realize that Developers didn't want any vestiges in NG+3, so there are no vestiges, tough luck, as I said Lords of the Fallen is not your strong point.

This is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, because you can just buy an unlimited number of vestige seeds, so I do not see any point of such "genius" feature

[Hercules]

Origineel geplaatst door Destillat:

Origineel geplaatst door Bat:

I think you are too stupid to realize that Developers didn't want any vestiges in NG+3, so there are no vestiges, tough luck, as I said Lords of the Fallen is not your strong point.

This is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, because you can just buy an unlimited number of vestige seeds, so I do not see any point of such "genius" feature

I didn't say it is a genius feature, I didn't say it is a good decision, all I have been trying to say is that it is what it is.

Let's try this one last time, Developers (for reasons unknown) wanted NG+1 to have no vestiges, that was their original idea, after people complained, they let NG+1 and NG+2 get away with a few vestiges, but they made NG+3 with no vestiges.

By doing so, they ensured two things, first their original vision remains intact and that players also get more options to do things that they wanna do.

Now, we have NG+1 with many vestiges, NG+2 with some vestiges and we have vestige seeds easily available so we can plant our own vestige anywhere we want.

If you are not going to respect developers vision, then stop playing at NG+3, because until further notice there are no vestiges in NG+3, call it a good thing, or a bad thing or call it the worst thing in the world, it does not matter, it is their choice.

All you can do is simply either stop playing at NG+2, or play NG+3 as developers want you to play or stop playing the game altogether.

Why is it so hard to understand something so simple? It is what they wanted, call it stupid, called it bad, call it wrong, call it whatever you like, it is what developers wanted.

If you can't come to accept it then simply don't play.

If their decision makes them go bankrupt or makes them a billion dollar, that's on developers and their choice, instead of whining, make your own choice.

[楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE]

Origineel geplaatst door Bat:

Origineel geplaatst door 楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE:

Sure. You are so smart.

No, you are just so dumb that it makes other people look smarter.

If it makes you happy.

[mayhem523]

I don't understand why everyone complains about the missing vestiges when the most popular part of DS1 is the first half where you can't fast travel and get to "appreciate the level design" or whatever. DS1 always gets praised for the interconnected design and use of shortcuts, and people say the 2nd half isn't as good because you can just fast travel everywhere. I personally never understood it myself, I don't really like running everywhere, but I'm guessing that's what inspired this design in lotf.

[vultok]

Harsh times we live in.
As much as I like this game, it's clear to me that they had to release it anyways, even if some ideas weren't exactly well-polished (like the vestiges removal) yet. Of course I might be wrong, but still... There are many other ways to give ng+(+++) players more interesting challenges.
But that's, obviously, just my opinion.

[Hercules]

Origineel geplaatst door mayhem523:

I don't understand why everyone complains about the missing vestiges when the most popular part of DS1 is the first half where you can't fast travel and get to "appreciate the level design" or whatever. DS1 always gets praised for the interconnected design and use of shortcuts, and people say the 2nd half isn't as good because you can just fast travel everywhere. I personally never understood it myself, but I'm guessing that's what inspired this design in lotf.

Well whenever I read about it, people would say in Dark Souls 1 you need to earn everything, nothing will be handed to you on a silver platter... so I am guessing people appreciated that.

Here they remove vestiges in NG+3 and people have ability to buy unlimited vestige seeds, but it is not good enough, so here comes the pitchfork mob condemning the developer's decision.

[楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE]

Origineel geplaatst door mayhem523:

I don't understand why everyone complains about the missing vestiges when the most popular part of DS1 is the first half where you can't fast travel and get to "appreciate the level design" or whatever. DS1 always gets praised for the interconnected design and use of shortcuts, and people say the 2nd half isn't as good because you can just fast travel everywhere. I personally never understood it myself, but I'm guessing that's what inspired this design in lotf.

If you want to fight the hardest boss in the game Elliane, you have to do a sequence of tasks that requires fast travelling multiple times between huge distance of places. In NG, no issues. But in NG+2 and beyond...

Option 1, you can do it as soon as it can be done, but it still requires you to run from one location to another. This is easier since it will shorten the time needed. But you will removed NPC needed to upgrade your weapons or offer some items you might need like Large Delirum. For Gerlinda case, you will not get the Special rune if you kill her early. Same with Damarose.

Option 2. You can do it after you get everything you wanted from both Damarose and Gerlinde. Problem is, not fun running from one end of the map to the other end, MULTIPLE TIMES. Give it a try if you doubt this.