Lords of the Fallen

Lords of the Fallen

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Twim Dec 7, 2023 @ 3:57am
Game is too easy
One single reason: pieta sword. You level only two (three stats).
Vitality and radiance. You get crazy tanky, crazy damage, very fast movespeed, high encumbrance, allowing you to wear tancred armor, and at the same time you are mage with radiance spells, which are broken as f.
I killed lightreaper with two +10 pieta sword under 20 seconds (not counting dragon flying time).
Then I went to umbral and destroyed crimson reaper (red eye on umbral meter). He had no chance.
Each pieta sword imbued with +smite rate buildup x3
And I have a ring which heals me like crazy when I proc smite on enemy.
Basically you can ignore blocking and evading, just facetanking most of the enemies, even bosses, cuz you are getting overhealed. Plus, we have incredible self heal aura. Nuff said, balance broken, I dont see any sense to try other builds.
Before Pieta I was using Lords sword with ignite->burning (wildfire ring) build.
Everything seems so weak against Pietas

You are literally tank, melee top DPS, top mage, top buffs, top heal. You have everything if you go full RAD.
Currently I am 75 RAD, 40 Vit, 25 Endurance.

I win every pvp or invasion both mine and from enemies. With or without laser, double pieta is just absurd.
P.S. I love this game so much, enjoyed it and hope to see dlc in future. Very nice game. Despite on balance issues, repeating enemies, anyway, its a gem.
I even liked it more than Elden Ring and DS3.
Mostly cuz of style, very cool and very nice movesets for every weapon, for clear and comfortable UI, for aestethic feeling.
One more downside is a very dissapointing music, but I can live with that.

Gorgeous game. You have my trust, developers, wish you good luck :praisesun:
Last edited by Twim; Dec 7, 2023 @ 4:05am
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COWABUNGATIME Dec 7, 2023 @ 4:08am 
I've found that there are some math problems as well. Pieta's sword aside, the scaling of sorceries seems to be effected much better by just sacrificing a ring slot to use an umbral catalyst on either pure inf/rad build and then pumping both rad/inf. Especially at higher levels, since the hardcap is 75. You get way more out of 60/30+ than you do out of going beyond 75. For a pure mage who only has a melee weapon as a back up there's zero mathematical reason to not use Lost Berescu's catalyst when it gets A scaling on both Radiance and Inferno. On NG with inferno spells I was annihilating things with just the upgraded fireball. I hopped in the respec menu just to see what a different dedicated inferno catalyst would do with actual inferno based rings and it was laughable how much damage I lost by making a dedicated inferno build.

Now, don't get me wrong, it's really funny to hit a Flame Enchantress who's supposed to be resistant to fire with a fireball that deals 800 damage, but it makes me scratch my head that the best way to do that is to NOT use the inferno equipment.
Here is my input, I made 2 builds in NG+3.

First One, is dual wielding corrupted Judge cleric swords. Best Umbral catalyst, 2 rings, one allow you to cast inferno spells, the other radiance. Took all the buffs spells, Aura of tenacity, Adyr rage, Ardyr hardiness, invigorating Aura and any weapon buffs spells(bleed/bless/inferno). Bought 300 mana stones, or just grab as many large ones.
As long as I don't stand idly and fight normaly, Elliane can't kill me.

Then I tried 2 handling Executioner Axe, Best inferno catalyst, a ring that cast radiance spells and 2 handed damage ring. One heavy shield with mana regen runes. Took all the buffs spells, Aura of tenacity, Adyr rage, Ardyr hardiness, invigorating Aura and any weapon buffs spells(bleed/bless/inferno). Bought 300 mana stones, or just grab as many large ones.
As long as I don't stand idly and fight normaly, Elliane can't kill me. But it took way way longer to kill her with dual wield weapons.

LOL. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkowqz2m_h0

But in COOP, somehow it is more fun probably the bosses have more HP so it take a while and the danger is more real.:steamhappy:
Last edited by 楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE; Dec 7, 2023 @ 4:57am
Twim Dec 7, 2023 @ 4:57am 
Fun fact: single Pieta sword is stronger than two of them. Strange game but I like it :D
COWABUNGATIME Dec 7, 2023 @ 5:10am 
Originally posted by 楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE:
Here is my input, I made 2 builds in NG+3.

First One, is dual wielding corrupted Judge cleric swords.

Corrupted Judge Cleric swords seem way better than almost anything else I've used so far. I'm making another character that's pure faith with no inferno and I'll probably still end up running the Corrupted sword near the end it's that good. Another thing I think they could improve is that despite the comparatively large variety of weapons in the game, most are ♥♥♥♥. There's a few that really shine so hard that everything else is mathematically irrelevant. There's no reason to fight the Proselyte at the start of the game to get the Raw Mangler axe because the Raw Mangler axe is ♥♥♥♥ and you're going to have 10 of them drop by the end of the playthrough given that Raw Manglers are as numerous as dogs.

Even something as difficult and rare to get as the Bringer of Stillness swords are mathematically bad. I farmed them both out for an hour and a half to +9 them and find out that Vanguard Barros' Sword which I had after the Fen was statistically better. A waste of an hour and a half at the end of the day. There's so many cool and thematically appropriate weapons that are just so statistically lackluster. I remember picking up Hallowed Condemnation and thinking "This would be so great for a Roman style character" only to carry it around all game because the Udirangr Warwolf Sword hit twice as hard until I found the Crimson Rector sword. Even +10 Hallowed Condemnation has C+ scaling in STR and AGI. Juge Cleric's Corrupted sword is a better quality build weapon than Hallowed Condemnation and it's not even a quality build weapon.

They really need to revisit damage and scaling values, or there's just no point for 90% of the weapons in the game to even exist, as cool as they all are.

This isn't saying the Cleric sword needs a nerf, either. I think that other less relevant weapons need a buff.
Last edited by COWABUNGATIME; Dec 7, 2023 @ 5:11am
IchigoMait Dec 7, 2023 @ 6:54am 
Makes a broken build, complains game is too easy.

It's the same as turning difficulty down to very easy and then complain game is too easy.

I rest my case.
Twim Dec 7, 2023 @ 6:56am 
Originally posted by IchigoMait:
Makes a broken build, complains game is too easy.

It's the same as turning difficulty down to very easy and then complain game is too easy.

I rest my case.
And what am I supposed to do? Play game without using weapons, killing enemies with bare fists? I am just telling devs whats need to be balanced. So other builds be equal and viable
Last edited by Twim; Dec 7, 2023 @ 6:56am
HO ANU Dec 7, 2023 @ 7:01am 
That is fine OP. Because those circumstances are not possible on your first run. Being OP on NG+0 should be possible imo.
Twim Dec 7, 2023 @ 11:24am 
Originally posted by HO ANU (ScepteredFish):
That is fine OP. Because those circumstances are not possible on your first run. Being OP on NG+0 should be possible imo.
You can get two Pietas sword in first playthrough.
IchigoMait Dec 7, 2023 @ 12:41pm 
Originally posted by Twim:
Originally posted by IchigoMait:
Makes a broken build, complains game is too easy.

It's the same as turning difficulty down to very easy and then complain game is too easy.

I rest my case.
And what am I supposed to do? Play game without using weapons, killing enemies with bare fists? I am just telling devs whats need to be balanced. So other builds be equal and viable
And again, "so other builds be equal and viable" while complaining the game is too easy. So you want make everything easy. Why do you want to take away the progression in the game? That's rather boring, just take 1 weapon upgrade it to max, and that's it.

Do you even read what you type, or do you even remember what you've typed?

Waa waa, game too easy, make everything else also too easy.
Last edited by IchigoMait; Dec 7, 2023 @ 12:42pm
HO ANU Dec 7, 2023 @ 12:52pm 
Originally posted by Twim:
Originally posted by HO ANU (ScepteredFish):
That is fine OP. Because those circumstances are not possible on your first run. Being OP on NG+0 should be possible imo.
You can get two Pietas sword in first playthrough.
By letting a friend give it to you?
Twim Dec 7, 2023 @ 1:09pm 
Originally posted by HO ANU (ScepteredFish):
Originally posted by Twim:
You can get two Pietas sword in first playthrough.
By letting a friend give it to you?
No. You can invade somebody and die intentionally. This will reset Molhu stock. Dunno it is bug or feature
COWABUNGATIME Dec 7, 2023 @ 1:20pm 
Originally posted by Twim:
Originally posted by HO ANU (ScepteredFish):
By letting a friend give it to you?
No. You can invade somebody and die intentionally. This will reset Molhu stock. Dunno it is bug or feature

♥♥♥♥, I better get on that before they patch it out, lol. That actually sounds like FUN!

Edit: Yooooooooo it actually works! That's dope, now I don't have to drop trade with randos or scam one of my buddies into buying this game before it's worth the money.

You don't even have to die intentionally, I was fighting for my life and it seems like PvP just reloads the store stock.
Last edited by COWABUNGATIME; Dec 7, 2023 @ 2:40pm
cooperman Dec 7, 2023 @ 1:52pm 
Then don't follow the meta?
Twim Dec 7, 2023 @ 2:08pm 
Originally posted by cooperman:
Then don't follow the meta?
1. I didnt knew it was meta
2. Why dont you offer to play without weapon? It will make game harder
3. If I have instruments in game, I am using all of it. It is dev problem to balance it. I dont see any point to make game harder for myself, it is not my job, it is dev job.
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